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Troilus YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 15 Joined: 01/19/07 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #51 - 07/21/11 at 20:17:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	Check out Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings Vol 4 for some thorough analysis of 1...b6 and 1 b3. Numerous references to Odessky's analysis.


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #50 - 07/17/11 at 22:55:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	It usually helps in understanding the evaluation if you understood the NID/QID hybrid position that this springs from (but reversed, so white's d3 is a valuable extra tempo).

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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #49 - 07/17/11 at 16:56:26	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thank you for taking the time GM Davies! It's much appreciated.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #48 - 07/09/11 at 19:24:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	ECO thought 8. Bxc6 with the idea of Ne5 would be slightly better for White.


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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #47 - 07/09/11 at 19:15:19

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Back in 1991, Bagirov V. versus Polgar S. 7...Bd6 was considered to be a novelty. Looking through Chapter 21 or 22 you will be very hard pressed to find this position or any comment about it. The position has occurred enough in practice to warrant some attention.

Was it a glaring ommission or have I missed something? In any case, can someone assess the position for me?

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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #46 - 08/19/10 at 17:37:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	parisestmagique wrote on 08/19/10 at 15:52:21: I dont know if it's analysed somewhere but 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6!? seems to give an easy game for Black, White's bishops looks like punching against a wall ! Any idea for White ? 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6 5.d4 A. 5...e4 6.c4 a6 (6...Bd7? 7.Qh5+) A1. 7.cxd5 axb5 8.dxc6 bxc6 7.Qc2 (Jacobs & Tait) however Black gets the advantage after 7...f5! 8.Qxc6+ Bd7 9.Qc2 Qg5 A2. 7.Bxc6+! bxc6 8.Ba3 with a good reversed French Winawer. B. 5...exd4 6.Qxd4 Bd6 (6...Ne7 7.Nc3 Be6 8.Qd2) 7.Nf3 B1. 7...a6 8.Bxc6 bxc6 9.c4 Nh6 10.Nc3 Nf5 11.Qd3 Ne7 12.e4 with advantage White, Finegold - Polgar 1990 B2. 7...Nge7 8.Qd2!? (White wants to keep the light-squared bishop; 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 Ernst - Lemmers 1995) 8...O-O 9.Nc3 a6 10.Be2 intending 0-0-0, Rg1, g4.
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parisestmagique Senior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 473 Location: paris Joined: 01/24/06 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #45 - 08/19/10 at 15:52:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	I dont know if it's analysed somewhere but 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6!? seems to give an easy game for Black, White's bishops looks like punching against a wall ! Any idea for White ?


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #44 - 08/15/10 at 04:26:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well put. Thanks for the intro to the site.


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linksspringer Senior Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: 09/25/07	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #43 - 08/12/10 at 09:06:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	@Wink: There is nothing particularly wrong with an early c4, it is just that Odessky doesn't consider it as being in the spirit of the opening. Throughout the book, Odessky is trying to apply maximum pressure on e5 to get the most out of Bb2. To quote from page 91: Quote: In the end, I came to the conclusion that White's approach to the opening is not wrong, but it is not principled. By playing [...] c4 he turns an independent opening into some sort of variation from the English Opening. The main piece in the b2-b3 opening is the beauty on b2. So what is this move c4 all about?! BTW, I already mentioned this in another thread, but since this thread is about Odessky's book: http://www.easychess.info/b3_lya%20Odessky_chessbook_review_by_stephen_berry.htm... is a very interesting review of Odessky's book by FM Stephen Berry.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #42 - 08/09/10 at 00:52:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	The move c2-c4 comes back again on page 50. That is, in the stem game 5. d2-d4 is weak and should be replaced by 5. c2-c4=. Also after 4. Nge2 Bg4 is not hard to find. Then 5. h3 Bg4 6. g4 Bg6 7. Bg2 e5 8. d4 (the point of it all) cd 9. ed h5!? 10.gh Rxh5 and it is Black who has the comfortable game. So I'm thinking c2-c4 is not so bad after all.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #41 - 08/08/10 at 20:41:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	On p.46 of Play 1.b3! Odessky says that 3.c4 " doesn't really suit." Why does he make this comment? Does he base it on the game between Larsen and Kavalek, p.43. If so, I don't think Rybka 3 would hold with his assessment because after 19...Bxc4 White does not have to play 20.bxc4 and, in fact, can equalize with 20.g4! Could someone explain this a bit more? I understand the merit of 3.e3 -- a deterrent to 3...c5 so that's not a problem for me. I just don't see the Larsen vs Kavalek game as a reason for an unsuitable 3.c4


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Bibs God Member Offline Posts: 2342 Joined: 10/24/06	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #40 - 08/02/09 at 13:04:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	Perhaps you could wait till you have finished it. Not sure we need updates every chapter. Review on chessvibes described this as a 'postmodern' chess book. About right I guess. Structure all over the place, but an oddly engaging read. Highly unusual to find a chess book writer who can actually write, though not sure many more are needed. Many, particularly writers from England oddly enough, appear to have an unsure grasp of the language, so a refreshing change of sorts.


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #39 - 08/02/09 at 12:48:24	Post Tools	Print Post
	I sincerely apologize to readers of my previous posts and to Mr./IM Odessky for remarks that would offend. I'm much better off now after reading Chapter 3 than I was before I read it. IM Odessky's book is really an entertaining and engaging read in spite of the way I perceived the loose ends. In hindsight I was venting frustration over my perceived "lack of closure" to this chapter. In reality I now realize there is no real closure to any opening. My paradigm about this has been shaken and shifted a little I guess. Still, I hope someone makes a comment or two towards clarity for some of us Class players; not on me


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #38 - 08/01/09 at 17:39:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'd like to make one more pursuit of these issues and comment on the B1 Variation, p.32-33 of the 1.b3 book. This, at least, is how an average Class Player views this game with the help of a chess engine. So, what should White think after looking at the game in this light? 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3 Na5 6.Be2 a6 7.c4 0-0 8.Nc2 Nc6 9.d3 b5!? This weakens the c6 square but a capture on c6 opens c8-h3 diagonal for the Bc8. 10.Nf3 bxc4 So what is the point of d2-d3 anyway? Is it to get rid of the e-pawn that has the potential to drive away the Nf3 or is it to prevent the opening of the b-file? Silence from the author. 11.dxc4 There is no longer a guard over the e4 square so the Nf3 can be driven away with ease. Sutovsky's assessment might have come in a flash like this: ...e5-e4 drives away the defending Nf3 and allows Black a pivot point at e5 for his minor pieces to access the K side for an attack. [11.bxc4 seems to be more in line with the earlier "theoretical statements". Now, given the chance, White can play e4 and Ne3, I suppose. 11...e4 The White pawn structure and position may be preferable to what White would have to face if Black sacrifices a pawn after15.f4.] 11...Qe7 12.0-0 e4 13.Nfd4 Qe5 14.g3 Qg5?! 15.f4! For the moment, Rybka 3 thinks it's best too. It has tactical justification that appears to be within the chess engine's horizon. It intends to pick off the c6 pawn. What appears to be beyond the engine's chess horizon is the effect of opening the c8-h3 diagonal and the increase in the activity of the Black pieces. 15...Qg6?! Ironically, the Nf3 has been driven from the defense of the K-side and Black has three minor pieces and a Q developed. Yet, after f2-f4 the pivot point at e5 has disappeared and the Nc6 and Bd6 are ineffective in carrying out an attack on the K side. The remaining Nf6 doesn't have penetrating power on the light squares as the Bc8 has no influence over g4. [15...exf3!? 16.Bxf3 (16.Nxf3= but doesn't appear to be as entertaining.) 16...Rb8 (16...Bb7? 17.Nf5! Bc5 (17...Be5? 18.Bxe5 Qxf5 19.Bxc6 Qxe5 20.Bxb7; 17...Qxf5 18.Bxc6) 18.b4 Ba7 19.b5) 17.Nxc6 dxc6 18.Bxc6 For the price of a pawn the Bc8 can take a timely and active part in the game. 18...Ng4 Black seems to have an easier game to play (ie. ...h5, ...Ne5 and ...Bg4) and White has to adopt a wait and see mode of play. 19.Qd2 (19.Qe2 h5; 19.Qd5 Qh6 20.Qg2 Ne5=) 19...h5 and it is White who has to keep finding the best moves to maintain an advantage. 20.Rad1 Ne5 21.Bd5 Bh3 22.Rf4 (22.Bg2 Nxc4=) 22...Ng6=] 16.Ne1 Now White has an undisturbed wall of pawns around his K he is able to move his problem piece behind this wall and into position for a K side attack. 16...Bc5 17.Ng2 Ne7 18.g4


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Sylvester Senior Member Offline Chess is the ultimate game! Posts: 314 Location: Canada Joined: 07/03/08 Gender:	Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky Reply #37 - 07/31/09 at 01:53:52	Post Tools	Print Post
	From a pedagogical point of view, I was astounded when I reached page 34 of Odessky's book. 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3 Na5 6.Be2 a6 7.c4 0-0 8.Nf3 White postpones his decision about the other knight for one more move, hoping that Black's reply will indicate where the Na3 should go -- c2 or b1 (Odessky). This is utterly confusing for two reasons: 1.) Earlier in this variation, following GM J. Hodgeson, he preferred Nb1. 2.) Earlier in this variation he stated that d3 should preceed Nf3. I get the feeling that Odessky is holding back or writing "upward" to an audience. At worst, he had written forward without reflection. Whatever, something has derailed here. If I knew what he knew about this section, I would NOT present it in this way. I'm eager, willing, and able to learn but he has lost me here and LET ME DOWN AGAIN. I have pondered what he has to say and formed some opinions but I'm confounded by this approach. Has the Vodka vulture picked the essence out of this too? Does anyone, knowing what's going on here, have the time to bridge the gaps left in Odessky's work? Ilya, are you out there? Speak!!


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