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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #66 - 06/03/15 at 22:00:36
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kylemeister wrote on 06/01/15 at 17:41:57:
I notice that in a few of the previous games with 4. h3, Black responded in kind with 4...a6.


hmmm - interesting tit for tat.

But 4...d5 must surely be the principal move.
  
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Reply #65 - 06/01/15 at 17:41:57
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I notice that in a few of the previous games with 4. h3, Black responded in kind with 4...a6.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #64 - 06/01/15 at 15:46:20
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Fllg wrote on 05/31/15 at 07:43:46:
He was probably inspired by Tiger´s Modern Wink


No, its more of a useful waiting move, avoiding the 4.Bb5 Bd6 line. Knowing Jobava though, g4 is alwas an option for the future  Wink
  
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Reply #63 - 05/31/15 at 07:43:46
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He was probably inspired by Tiger´s Modern Wink
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #62 - 05/30/15 at 23:49:12
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anybody see Jobava's new move:

1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.h3!?

Seems like a very interesting new idea.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #61 - 04/27/15 at 20:02:16
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RdC wrote on 04/26/15 at 15:42:27:
A slight surprise that there isn't a dedicated sub-forum on 1. b3.


I could add one if there was enough demand, or enough posts.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #60 - 04/26/15 at 15:42:27
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A slight surprise that there isn't a dedicated sub-forum on 1. b3. Anyone looking for a mad opening should try Rapport - Adly from the World Team Championship.

After 1. b3 a5, what is White's best second move? Candidates include 2. Bb2, 2. a3, 2. a4 (unlikely) plus more recent tries of 2. c4 and 2. e4 as in the game in question. After 1. b3 a5 2. e4 a4, should White take and then 3. bxa4 Rxa4 4. Nc3, or play 3. b4 as was played by Rapport?

Here's the whole game

  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #59 - 08/26/14 at 18:40:21
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Odessky's book is a masterpiece, and he is also witty and can write which is a bonus.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #58 - 08/26/14 at 01:31:34
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Your commentary is unfair to Odessky. I've read the book from cover to cover unlike you. Odessky is quite original. His book is the best one out there on the Nimzo Larsen Attack. Lakdawala's book pushes the boundaries a bit but the heart of the issue lies with Odessky.

Like you, I had trouble with Odessky's writing style but unlike you I persevered. I'm much better off for doing so and, like the author, I have a friend for life.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #57 - 08/11/14 at 23:48:56
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Had the book for years. Finally got a chance to look at it while on vacation. Not a fan!  The book jumps around a lot and doesn't offer much in original thought.  The author isn't even convincing. (The whole section: where he states *this analysis is based on who I might of played in blitz online ... but I can't be sure its them.. bla bla etc etc  and "this opening is great for blitz only"  etc etc  was kinda of IMO "weak."   If you write a book, pump your reader up about the material. One can push the positives of an opening like this without sugar coating the negatives.  Offer an original thought at the very least.  I know a few people who use this opening in CC chess and it works fine (because there is a huge scope for original work... )  All he had to do was look into the CC side of the opening..   Just my 2 cents worth
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #56 - 06/08/14 at 00:38:00
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RoleyPoley wrote on 06/07/14 at 21:27:43:
I think its exactly because he doesnt sell it.

Dont know how the Lakdawala book stands up in comparison but that appears much more jovial.


I don't have either book (only the older one by Tait/Jacobs and a Dunnington (?) book which also covered 1.f4, 1.b4 and 1.g4), but having seen both authors' other work, Lakdawala is bound to be much more optimistic.

Anybody who's seen both care to comment on how well Lakdwala, with several years of theoretical progress on his side, solves the problems raised by Odessky?
  

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #55 - 06/07/14 at 21:27:43
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Koji wrote on 06/07/14 at 21:08:19:
Why does this book receive so much praise (or any at all for that matter)? He doesn't sell the opening at all. Chapter 4 is pathetic - where he makes excuses that this is somehow a blitz/rapid opening (?? Jobava would beg to differ). Many (all?) of his chapters end on a pessimistic note where some Black idea is presented and no white plan to try and counter it; one would conclude not that the positions are equal (which a nimzo-larsen player would have made peace with) but that white is struggling for equality (???). Very uninspiring and not impressed by the quality of the analysis either.


I think its exactly because he doesnt sell it.

Dont know how the Lakdawala book stands up in comparison but that appears much more jovial.

Got to say, Jobova seems a pretty awesome player to watch out for...appears to play a lot of less fashionable openings and gets good results with them.
  

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #54 - 06/07/14 at 21:08:19
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Why does this book receive so much praise (or any at all for that matter)? He doesn't sell the opening at all. Chapter 4 is pathetic - where he makes excuses that this is somehow a blitz/rapid opening (?? Jobava would beg to differ). Many (all?) of his chapters end on a pessimistic note where some Black idea is presented and no white plan to try and counter it; one would conclude not that the positions are equal (which a nimzo-larsen player would have made peace with) but that white is struggling for equality (???). Very uninspiring and not impressed by the quality of the analysis either.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #53 - 10/18/11 at 03:38:10
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(Post removed:  Now I see where Odessky says he purposely made major changes to the move order of the actual game.  Well, he says it for Game 1, which is enough if you read the book only sequentially.
Odessky could/should have noted for the reader that his altered move order converges with the true gamescore moves starting with 8.. oo.

Game 1:  B.Larsen - L.Kavalek, 1970, Lugano (rd.10)

Odd that in Game 1 Odessky makes no annotation for  26.. rg8<f (+5.6), the one move that had a large Fritz eval spike --- spikes always mean a bad move.
After White unblocked the long dark diagonal a1-h8 with 26. Nd5<c3 (+1.3), better for Black is to reblock the diagonal with 26.. ne5<f3.
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #52 - 09/28/11 at 23:06:50
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Thank you Troilus, BPaulsen
  
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Reply #51 - 07/21/11 at 20:17:18
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Check out Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings Vol 4 for some thorough analysis of 1...b6 and 1 b3. Numerous references to Odessky's analysis.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #50 - 07/17/11 at 22:55:09
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It usually helps in understanding the evaluation if you understood the NID/QID hybrid position that this springs from (but reversed, so white's d3 is a valuable extra tempo).
  

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Reply #49 - 07/17/11 at 16:56:26
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Thank you for taking the time GM Davies! It's much appreciated.  Smiley
  
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Reply #48 - 07/09/11 at 19:24:15
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ECO thought 8. Bxc6 with the idea of Ne5 would be slightly better for White. 
  
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Reply #47 - 07/09/11 at 19:15:19
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Back in 1991, Bagirov V. versus Polgar S. 7...Bd6 was considered to be a novelty. Looking through Chapter 21 or 22 you will be very hard pressed to find this position or any comment about it. The position has occurred enough in practice to warrant some attention.

Was it a glaring ommission or have I missed something? In any case, can someone assess the position for me?
  
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Reply #46 - 08/19/10 at 17:37:32
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parisestmagique wrote on 08/19/10 at 15:52:21:
I dont know if it's analysed somewhere but 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6!? seems to give an easy game for Black, White's bishops looks like punching against a wall ! Any idea for White ?


1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6 5.d4

A. 5...e4 6.c4 a6 (6...Bd7? 7.Qh5+)
A1. 7.cxd5 axb5 8.dxc6 bxc6 7.Qc2 (Jacobs & Tait) however Black gets the advantage after 7...f5! 8.Qxc6+ Bd7 9.Qc2 Qg5
A2. 7.Bxc6+! bxc6 8.Ba3 with a good reversed French Winawer.
B. 5...exd4 6.Qxd4 Bd6 (6...Ne7 7.Nc3 Be6 8.Qd2) 7.Nf3
B1. 7...a6 8.Bxc6 bxc6 9.c4 Nh6 10.Nc3 Nf5 11.Qd3 Ne7 12.e4  with advantage White, Finegold - Polgar 1990
B2. 7...Nge7 8.Qd2!? (White wants to keep the light-squared bishop; 8.Nc3 0-0 9.Bxc6 bxc6 Ernst - Lemmers 1995) 8...O-O 9.Nc3 a6 10.Be2 intending 0-0-0, Rg1, g4.
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #45 - 08/19/10 at 15:52:21
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I dont know if it's analysed somewhere but 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 f6!? seems to give an easy game for Black, White's bishops looks like punching against a wall ! Any idea for White ?
  
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Reply #44 - 08/15/10 at 04:26:58
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Well put. Thanks for the intro to the site.
  
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Reply #43 - 08/12/10 at 09:06:57
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@Wink: There is nothing particularly wrong with an early c4, it is just that Odessky doesn't consider it as being in the spirit of the opening. Throughout the book, Odessky is trying to apply maximum pressure on e5 to get the most out of Bb2. To quote from page 91:

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In the end, I came to the conclusion that White's approach to the opening is not wrong, but it is not principled. By playing [...] c4 he turns an independent opening into some sort of variation from the English Opening. The main piece in the b2-b3 opening is the beauty on b2. So what is this move c4 all about?!


BTW, I already mentioned this in another thread, but since this thread is about Odessky's book:
http://www.easychess.info/b3_lya%20Odessky_chessbook_review_by_stephen_berry.htm...
is a very interesting review of Odessky's book by FM Stephen Berry.
  
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Reply #42 - 08/09/10 at 00:52:38
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The move c2-c4 comes back again on page 50. That is, in the stem game 5. d2-d4 is weak and should be replaced by 5. c2-c4=.

Also after 4. Nge2 Bg4 is not hard to find. Then 5. h3 Bg4 6. g4 Bg6 7. Bg2 e5 8. d4 (the point of it all) cd 9. ed h5!? 10.gh Rxh5 and it is Black who has the comfortable game.

So I'm thinking c2-c4 is not so bad after all.
  
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Reply #41 - 08/08/10 at 20:41:53
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On p.46 of Play 1.b3! Odessky says that 3.c4 " doesn't really suit."

Why does he make this comment?

Does he base it on the game between Larsen and Kavalek, p.43. If so, I don't think Rybka 3 would hold with his assessment because after 19...Bxc4 White does not have to play 20.bxc4 and, in fact, can equalize with 20.g4!

Could someone explain this a bit more? I understand the merit of 3.e3 -- a deterrent to 3...c5 so that's not a problem for me. I just don't see the Larsen vs Kavalek game as a reason for an unsuitable 3.c4
  
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Reply #40 - 08/02/09 at 13:04:30
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Perhaps you could wait till you have finished it. Not sure we need updates every chapter.

Review on chessvibes described this as a 'postmodern' chess book. About right I guess. Structure all over the place, but an oddly engaging read. Highly unusual to find a chess book writer who can actually write, though not sure many more are needed. Many, particularly writers from England oddly enough, appear to have an unsure grasp of the language, so a refreshing change of sorts.
  
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Reply #39 - 08/02/09 at 12:48:24
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I sincerely apologize to readers of my previous posts and to Mr./IM Odessky for remarks that would offend. I'm much better off now after reading Chapter 3 than I was before I read it. IM Odessky's book is really an entertaining and engaging read in spite of the way I perceived the loose ends.

In hindsight I was venting frustration over my perceived "lack of closure" to this chapter. In reality I now realize there is no real closure to any opening.

My paradigm about this has been shaken and shifted a little I guess.

Still, I hope someone makes a comment or two towards clarity for some of us Class players; not on me  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #38 - 08/01/09 at 17:39:18
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I'd like to make one more pursuit of these issues and comment on the B1 Variation, p.32-33 of the 1.b3 book. This, at least, is how an average Class Player views this game with the help of a chess engine. So, what should White think after looking at the game in this light?

1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3 Na5 6.Be2 a6 7.c4 0-0 8.Nc2 Nc6 9.d3 b5!? This weakens the c6 square but a capture on c6 opens c8-h3 diagonal for the Bc8. 10.Nf3 bxc4 So what is the point of d2-d3 anyway? Is it to get rid of the e-pawn that has the potential to drive away the Nf3 or is it to prevent the opening of the b-file? Silence from the author.

11.dxc4 There is no longer a guard over the e4 square so the Nf3 can be driven away with ease. Sutovsky's assessment might have come in a flash like this: ...e5-e4 drives away the defending Nf3 and allows Black a pivot point at e5 for his minor pieces to access the K side for an attack.

[11.bxc4 seems to be more in line with the earlier "theoretical statements". Now, given the chance, White can play e4 and Ne3, I suppose.  11...e4 The White pawn structure and position may be preferable to what White would have to face if Black sacrifices a pawn after15.f4.]

11...Qe7 12.0-0 e4 13.Nfd4 Qe5 14.g3 Qg5?! 15.f4!

For the moment, Rybka 3 thinks it's best too. It has tactical justification that appears to be within the chess engine's horizon. It intends to pick off the c6 pawn. What appears to be beyond the engine's chess horizon is the effect of opening the c8-h3 diagonal and the increase in the activity of the Black pieces.

15...Qg6?! Ironically, the Nf3 has been driven from the defense of the K-side and Black has three minor pieces and a Q developed. Yet, after f2-f4 the pivot point at e5 has disappeared and the Nc6 and Bd6 are ineffective in carrying out an attack on the K side. The remaining Nf6 doesn't have penetrating power on the light squares as the Bc8 has no influence over g4.

[15...exf3!? 16.Bxf3 (16.Nxf3= but doesn't appear to be as entertaining.) 16...Rb8 (16...Bb7? 17.Nf5! Bc5 (17...Be5? 18.Bxe5 Qxf5 19.Bxc6 Qxe5 20.Bxb7; 17...Qxf5 18.Bxc6) 18.b4 Ba7 19.b5) 17.Nxc6 dxc6 18.Bxc6 For the price of a pawn the Bc8 can take a timely and active part in the game. 18...Ng4 Black seems to have an easier game to play (ie. ...h5, ...Ne5 and ...Bg4) and White has to adopt a wait and see mode of play. 19.Qd2 (19.Qe2 h5; 19.Qd5 Qh6 20.Qg2 Ne5=) 19...h5 and it is White who has to keep finding the best moves to maintain an advantage. 20.Rad1 Ne5 21.Bd5 Bh3 22.Rf4 (22.Bg2 Nxc4=) 22...Ng6=]

16.Ne1 Now White has an undisturbed wall of pawns around his K he is able to move his problem piece behind this wall and into position for a K side attack. 16...Bc5 17.Ng2 Ne7 18.g4
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #37 - 07/31/09 at 01:53:52
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From a pedagogical point of view, I was astounded when I reached page 34 of Odessky's book.

1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3 Na5 6.Be2 a6 7.c4 0-0 8.Nf3 White postpones his decision about the other knight for one more move, hoping that Black's reply will indicate where the Na3 should go -- c2 or b1 (Odessky).

This is utterly confusing for two reasons: 1.) Earlier in this variation, following GM J. Hodgeson, he preferred Nb1. 2.) Earlier in this variation he stated that d3 should preceed Nf3.

I get the feeling that Odessky is holding back or writing "upward" to an audience. At worst, he had written forward without reflection. Whatever, something has derailed here.

If I knew what he knew about this section, I would NOT present it in this way. I'm eager, willing, and able to learn but he has lost me here and LET ME DOWN AGAIN. I have pondered what he has to say and formed some opinions but I'm confounded by this approach. Has the Vodka vulture picked the essence out of this too?

Does anyone, knowing what's going on here, have the time to bridge the gaps left in Odessky's work? Ilya, are you out there? Speak!!
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #36 - 07/31/09 at 01:14:18
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Hi All,
I've been plowing my way through Chapter 3 of Odessky's 1.b3 lately. I've managed to hang on to what the man has said up to page 33, Section B2. My issue is described below:

1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3 Na5 6.Be2 a6 7.c4 0-0 8.Nb1 The game illustrations here are not at all convincing regarding his statement regarding this move. Neither does Odessky go into any detail about how Black exploits the White setup. I'm unconvinced about his conclusions here and there are a lot of gaps left in the analysis. 8...b6 [White wins it because of Black's Q trip across the board. ie., ‹8...c5 9.d4 Nc6 10.d5 Ne7 11.Nc3 Ng6 12.Nf3 Re8 13.h4 e4 14.Nd2 Nf8 15.g4 The real problem here seems to be Black's Q side development and his development in general.] 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.Nf3 e4 Why is there no comment made about this decision to block the long diagonal? 11.Nd4 g6 12.f4 c5 [12...exf3 Why is there no comment about this move?] 13.Nc2 Bc7 14.g4 d5 15.g5 d4 16.gxf6 Qxf6 Odessky says White can hardly avoid this position. He adds that Black stands better. Rybka 3 thinks it's equal after 17.h4 dxc3 [17...Bxf4 18.exf4 Qxf4 19.Nd5±;
17...Qd6 18.Nd5 Bxd5 19.cxd5 d3 20.Bf1±] 18.Bxc3= seems like a logical follow-up here.

I'd like to hear some thoughtful comments about this variation. Odessky builds his readers up for the Na3-b1, citing GM J. Hodgson use of the move. I felt let down at this point in the book. I wondered if someone else had taken over the writing at this point or if Russian Vodka had created "an atmosphere" around the variation.

In any case, I felt like the show was over too soon. Does anyone reading this know what's going on?
  
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Reply #35 - 06/11/09 at 21:17:39
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Or maybe "Play 1.b3 And As Black You'll Keep your Tee Time"?   Cheesy
  
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Reply #34 - 06/08/09 at 15:26:21
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I won this book at a youth day, and this was one of the only books that was left. I wanted the Budapest book (Not because budapest is such a great opening, but because I wanted to refute it). I looked at some pages, read some chapters (while I know I will never play 1.b3). and I love it. The only problem is.... It covers 1.b3
  

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Reply #33 - 05/15/09 at 09:15:32
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This book was interestingly reviewed over at Chessvibes: http://www.chessvibes.com/reviews/review-play-1b3/
  
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Reply #32 - 05/15/09 at 08:42:44
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I am always amazed when i see this sort of statment : "What I have concluded after playing this opening (1.b3) is that you really can't have any advantage if black plays well." Because it sound's like white has the advantage anyway ... So tell me what is the move wich gives an advantage if Black plays well ? maybe it's better to say : Black has many ways of equalising ...
  
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Reply #31 - 04/28/09 at 10:44:33
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nico_35 wrote on 01/10/09 at 18:10:08:
Hi dear nimzo larsen players Wink

I don't have the odessky book but the old one (Jacob & Tait).
What I have concluded after playing this opening is that you really can't have any advantage if black plays well.


which is what it says on our first page Wink
  

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Reply #30 - 04/28/09 at 10:15:25
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Gambit wrote on 03/01/09 at 00:57:06:
Check out Arthur Bisguier-Irina Krush, Parsippany 1998, 1-0/27.

1 Nf3 d5 2 b3 c5 3 e4


yes, an entertaining line Smiley
  

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #29 - 03/01/09 at 10:53:42
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Or 1 b3 d5 2 Bb2 e6 3 e4 reaches Tartakower's swashbuckling anti-French gambit, 3...dxe4 4 Nc3 f5 5 f3 etc. But this was undone by the rotten cowardly 4...Bd7 5 Nxe4 Bc6  Wink
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #28 - 03/01/09 at 10:00:02
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Gambit wrote on 02/28/09 at 20:27:12:
How about trying something original?

1 b3 d5 2 e4! dxe4 3 Nc3!

Zilbermints Gambit in Larsen Opening

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #27 - 03/01/09 at 00:57:06
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Check out Arthur Bisguier-Irina Krush, Parsippany 1998, 1-0/27.

1 Nf3 d5 2 b3 c5 3 e4

on chesslive.de
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #26 - 02/28/09 at 23:13:31
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I prefer to postpone e4 for a move with 1.b3 d5 2.Nf3 c5 and now 3.e4!?. Some fascinating complications can result after 3...de4 4.Ne5 Qd4 5.Bb2 Qb2 6.Nc3 and White is down a piece, but Black's queen is trapped and White has a lead in development. Nc4 winning the queen is the immediate threat.

4...Nf6 is probably better, when after 5.Bb2 White is a tempo up on the Fajarowicz (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5 3.de5 Ne4), but this should only suffice for equality.

White's play in the following game is quite amusing:

[Event "Kavala op 10th"]
[Site "Kavala"]
[Date "2001.08.24"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Rigo, Gianfrancesco"]
[Black "Vasilev, Milen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "A06"]
[WhiteElo "2013"]
[BlackElo "2377"]
[PlyCount "76"]
[EventDate "2001.08.21"]
[EventType "swiss"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "GRE"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2001.11.25"]

1. Nf3 c5 2. b3 d5 3. e4 dxe4 4. Ne5 a6 5. Bb2 Nf6 6. g4 h6 7. Rg1 e6 8. h4
Nbd7 9. Nc4 b5 10. Ne3 Bb7 11. Bg2 Nd5 12. Nc3 Nxc3 13. Bxc3 Qxh4 14. d3 Qh2
15. Rh1 Qf4 16. g5 Ne5 17. gxh6 Rxh6 18. Rxh6 gxh6 19. dxe4 Bxe4 20. Qh5 Nf3+
21. Kf1 O-O-O 22. Qh1 Be7 23. a4 Nd2+ 24. Ke2 Bxg2 25. Qxg2 Ne4 26. Be1 Bf6 27.
Rc1 Bc3 28. axb5 axb5 29. Bxc3 Nxc3+ 30. Ke1 Qe4 31. Qh3 f5 32. Ra1 f4 33. Qh5
Qc6 34. Ng4 Qd5 35. Qxd5 Rxd5 36. Nf6 Rd4 37. Kf1 f3 38. Re1 Rh4 0-1

  

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #25 - 02/28/09 at 20:27:12
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How about trying something original?

1 b3 d5 2 e4! dxe4 3 Nc3!

Zilbermints Gambit in Larsen Opening

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #24 - 02/27/09 at 13:35:44
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For me the simplest way for Black is : 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d6(!) for exemple in the game Minasian - Adams 1992 4.Bb5 Bd7 (Qg5!?) 5.Ne2 a6 6.BxN BxB 7.00 Qg5! Black is already better and won a fine attacking game. Adams in his coments give a ? to 4.Bb5 but what to play is this thematic move is a mistake ?
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #23 - 01/14/09 at 20:37:25
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After 5.Ne2, here is what I would play:
5... a6 6.F*c6 (forced) d*c6 and
  • 7.O-O Qe7
  • 7.d4 e*d4 8.Q*d4 Bf5
  • 7.d3 O-O 8.Nd2 Qe7
with possibilities of e4 and Be5, or Ba3 to exchange the bishop in b2 for example. Or consolidate with b5, c5 and Bg4 pining the Ne2.
Black has double pawns but the bishop pair and the d column are enough to fight against white restrained setup, and eventually win!! (just my opinion Wink).
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #22 - 01/14/09 at 16:20:57
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Hi, if Black plays well, i dont think we have an advantage with another first move, but you know : that's just my opinion !
After .1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Ne2 as played by Morozevitch for exemple is interesting, after 0-0 6.0-0 Re8 7.Ng3 or 7.d4 White has some chances. (but ok Black has no big problems !)
I agree that after 4.c4 Black has a very easy game.
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #21 - 01/10/09 at 18:10:08
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Hi dear nimzo larsen players Wink

I don't have the odessky book but the old one (Jacob & Tait).
What I have concluded after playing this opening is that you really can't have any advantage if black plays well.

Especially after:
1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 so I'd rather play 4.c4 and after 4...d5 5.c*d5 N*d5 6.a3 this is a kind of reversed sicilian but I prefer black setup.

Or after:
1.b3 d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Nf3 Nf6 5.Bb5 Bd7 6.0-0 e6 7.d3 Be7 8.Nbd2 0-0 9.B*c6 B*c6 10.Ne5 Nd7 and black will challenge the a1-h8 diagonal with Bf6 or after 11.Ndf3 black will play 11... Rc8, 12... Nb8 and 13... f6 as Odessky seems to show in his book (?).

In these 2 lines, I give a small advantage for black who should at least get a draw.
Has anybody found a good continuation for white?

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Reply #20 - 12/19/08 at 21:49:43
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I thought the chess world was cured of the wrong idea, that one seems more clever when one points out other people's stupidity. If one wants praise oneself one should use phrases like: "alas author X, who otherwise has done a very good job, has missed ....". The idea of course is: author X is good, but I'm even better. And it's nicer to read.
  

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Reply #19 - 12/19/08 at 15:15:20
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It's a very interesting book which has revived my interest in 1 b3. I like what he has to say, and the way he says it Smiley

except...


...when it comes to referencing our earlier book (Jacobs & Tait: The Nimzo-Larsen Attack):

page 55 Quote:
the authors, to their credit, found the idea 5 e4!?

no, this was Lovric's idea (as it says in the game Lovric-Medancic).

page 224 Quote:
what is the assessment? The English writers say "unclear". I find it hard to agree with this

we didn't give any assessment at all.

page 231 Quote:
As Jacobs and Tait correctly point out, the absence of the bishop from c6 allows White to start an attack, using squares on the long diagonal a8-h1

we pointed nothing out, just giving a bit of analysis without text.

page 240 Quote:
Here, Keene, in his book, gives a completely senseless variation: "...in the event of 12...f6 13 Nxc6 Rxc6 White would obtain the better game by 14 c4 or 14 e4". Later this variation found its way into the Jacobs and Tait book.

and after three paragraphs extolling the virtues of 12...Nb8! he continues:

page 240 Quote:
The fact the the English writers do not mention 12...Nb8! shows their limited grasp of the subject. Even if they could not think of it for themselves, they had only to remember it, because there is a classic example on this theme in the Nimzowitsch Attack.


I mean, for f**k's sake! Roll Eyes

Here's the relevant part in our book:

Quote:
Nimzowitsch played 11 Ndf3 Rc8 (if 11...f6 12 Nxc6 bxc6 13 e4 e5 14 Nh4, but 11...Bf6 may be better) 12 Qe2 Nxe5 (12...f6 13 Nxc6 Rxc6 14 e4) 13 Nxe5 Be8 14 Qg4 (threatening 15 Nc6) 14...f5 (if 14...Bf6 15 f4) 15 Qe2 Bf6 16 c4 Qe7 17 f4 when White consolidated his control of e5 and built up a kingside attack with h2-h3, Kh2, Rf2, Rg1, g2-g4, etc. (Nimzowitsch-Wolf, Carlsbad 1923).


That's 10 half-lines out of 4 pages on this variation, in a book of 173 pages, attempting to cover everything on 1 b3. Odessky has 23 pages on this variation, in a book of 236 pages, covering just the bits he wants. Thus he can afford the space to indulge himself and insult previous authors for overlooking one move in half a paragraph.

Never mind that it's me he's insulting: as a reader (and editor) I find this kind of writing pathetic — look, look what they said!! they missed this move!!! how stupid!!!! but me!!! I saw it!!!!!!!!! — I guess the idea is for an author to seem clever by comparison. The author seems something all right, but clever isn't the word I'd use.
  

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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #18 - 10/30/08 at 14:13:29
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Odessky doesnt analyse this variation :
1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 Qh4+ 6.g3 Qe7 7.Nf3 f6!?
it's looks good for Black, White can win a pawn but Black has very good conterplay.
  
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Reply #17 - 10/24/08 at 10:30:26
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parisestmagique wrote on 10/24/08 at 09:02:33:
I agree with you statistics and openings is a difficult question.
in line A : After 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 there is 193 games White and Black have about the same rating 2668 and 2664 and White scores only 21,8% of wins Black 43,5 !!

This looks like a serious problem indeed. Still the bishop move looks a bit artificial. As deviating at an early stage means giving up 1.b3 I wonder what setup for White scores best?

Later edit: curious as I am I took a look myself. 5.Ne2 a6 (o-o 6.Ng3) 6.Bxc6 dxc6 7.d4 and White has done quite well. There are only few games, but the successfull players were pretty strong.
When a certain variation scores badly there are generally two possibilities:
I the line is just bad;
II too many players do or did not know how to handle it.
Regarding this variation II seems to be the case, though anyone who wants to play 1.b3 has to figure it out for him/herself.

parisestmagique wrote on 10/24/08 at 09:02:33:
But in line B this is more complicated after B: 1.b3 d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bd7 5.Nf3 e6 6.O-O Nf6 7.d3 Be7 8.Nbd2 O-O 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 10.Ne5 in 40 games White wins 40% of the games Black 45% and white has about 200 rating points more !! 2721 versus 2525. Quit catastrophic but if the game goes on like this 10.Ne5 Rc8 11.f4 Nd7 12.Qg4 NxN 13.BxN in 12 games white has a good score but ... the White's players are the great Bobby Fischer and Nimzowitsch ...

And here we might conclude that White should put more effort in studying those 12 games of the two giants!
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Reply #16 - 10/24/08 at 09:02:33
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I agree with you statistics and openings is a difficult question.
in line A : After 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 there is 193 games White and Black have about the same rating 2668 and 2664 and White scores only 21,8% of wins Black 43,5 !!
But in line B this is more complicated after B: 1.b3 d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bd7 5.Nf3 e6 6.O-O Nf6 7.d3 Be7 8.Nbd2 O-O 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 10.Ne5 in 40 games White wins 40% of the games Black 45% and white has about 200 rating points more !! 2721 versus 2525. Quit catastrophic but if the game goes on like this 10.Ne5 Rc8 11.f4 Nd7 12.Qg4 NxN 13.BxN in 12 games white has a good score but ... the White's players are the great Bobby Fischer and Nimzowitsch ...
  
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Reply #15 - 10/23/08 at 10:25:10
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I do believe in statistics but not as a decisive argument. First a question: how many games have been played with both these lines? Then a remark: if White wants to play 1.b3 (s)he obviously should put serious effort in these two lines (or earlier deviations).
If you let statistics decide your opening moves you are going to give up chess very quickly, because every opening as White has lines with substandard scores.
  

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Reply #14 - 10/23/08 at 09:48:47
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I dont know if you believe in statistics to see if an opening is good or bad but, i had a look at statistics after 1.b3 in two main lines :
A/ After 1.b3 e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 White's score is very bad and still worse after :
B/ 1.b3 d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bd7 5.Nf3 e6 6.O-O Nf6 7.d3 Be7 8.Nbd2 O-O 9.Bxc6 Bxc6 10.Ne5 White has a miserable 47% being 200 Elo points stronger than his opponent !, so maybe it's time to change the title of Odessky book, i propose : Do not play 1.b3?
  
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Reply #13 - 10/23/08 at 03:51:30
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The book is a high quality one. And the author is honest , he says that 1.b3 is not the superb weapon against black , but it is fun to play. I believe it is very helpful for people , who plays Flank openings, since the positions discussed in many openings are quite the same.
  
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Reply #12 - 10/20/08 at 09:38:24
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He says that white has nothing : 1b3! e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6 he analyse in depth 6.Nh3 and a little 6.Ne2 6.Nf3 and 6.Qh5+
  
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What move/line does Odessky suggest in chapter 2 (1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6)? I was under the impression that white had extremely little here.
  
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having read this book, i must admit i like it a lot ! First, it's a pleasure to read, really clear,sincere and mind-challenging, with a nice touch of  Russian melancholy. What I like most with this book :
a) now I finally know what to play against 1. or 2. b3 with Black !
b) if you play b3, you know the positions are at best equal (if you play well!) but you know what's happening, why, and what to do in your game. What more can you expect from a chess opening nowadays ?
c) even if you don't play b3, you learn a lot about chess thinking, and this is a great occasion for questioning your opening play. The most similar book I can think of is Rowson's "Understanding the grunfeld".
d) to borrow from another thread, I also find it a perfect book to read in the train !
  
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Reply #9 - 08/30/08 at 12:54:29
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Thanks for this -- very useful. I may still buy the book for Chs 16--18 and 21--3, at least for lines that can be initiated by 1 Nf3. Also, even setting aside the question of likely transpositions, if you play a flank opening you need in my view to have a basic working knowledge of all flank openings!
  
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[quote author=nmga link=1215402377/0#7 date=1220047381]
I took a look at 1 b3 again recently and, not for the first time, was put off by the 1 ...e5 lines. So I was intrigued to see the book devoting no fewer than three chapters to the Petrosian Variation, because that's the only line that has ever really attracted me! Most books are highly sniffy about this, suggesting White gets nothing, so I guess that put me off. (Of course, in practical play, at my level it might be quite a good choice as many Blacks will lash out and just weaken themselves!) Does Odessky, do you (or linksspringer or pumi or anyone), have any higher opinion of it? [/quote]

Odessky does a fine job explaining all the nuances of the early c4 approach against ...e5. But he concludes that if Black plays correctly then White gets nothing and even has to take care to keep equality. Odessky likes the Bb5 approach better. But a look at those chapters reveals that White has problems to solve there as well!

So you see, it is a bit of a strange book. You will get a wonderful insight into all kinds of b3 positions, but... no easy solutions! I am not surprised if this book gets bad reviews. But still I love it!
  
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Reply #7 - 08/29/08 at 22:03:01
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Yes, thanks for the Contents and your review, tracke -- very useful. I thought I remembered reading a baddish review of this book, so I was interested to learn more and have another view. I've often found your posts helpful so I will seriously consider getting the book.

I took a look at 1 b3 again recently and, not for the first time, was put off by the 1 ...e5 lines. So I was intrigued to see the book devoting no fewer than three chapters to the Petrosian Variation, because that's the only line that has ever really attracted me! Most books are highly sniffy about this, suggesting White gets nothing, so I guess that put me off. (Of course, in practical play, at my level it might be quite a good choice as many Blacks will lash out and just weaken themselves!) Does Odessky, do you (or linksspringer or pumi or anyone), have any higher opinion of it?
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We didn't have to wait till November!
This book is more like a series of essays on 1.b3 than a repertoire book. Not suitable as a "starting out" book, but an absolute pleasure for "b3 heads".

Very strange: I am never entirely satisfied with my opening play when I play 1.b3, but practical results are not bad at all! After reading about Odessky's struggles I conclude that maybe it is just the nature of the b3-beast.  Wink
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #5 - 08/29/08 at 17:00:26
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@ tracke

Thx for your posting and I totaly agree with you Smiley

A must buy!!!

For your own repertoire problems, can you send me a pm ?? Maybe I can help, or it could be that we have the same problems !!
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #4 - 08/14/08 at 19:50:23
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[Sadly my handling of english language is not good enough to describe this book adaequatly as it would be necessary to use many scientific and philosophical terms very precisely. And only in German I´m able to do that. Hopefully you understand something of the following.]


I should start with some citing out of the "forword" (An Amazing Life):
"[...]In the first place, I decided to write simply. This does not mean primitively, nor does it mean spelling out the obvious. On the contrary, I think the mistake made by almost all first-time authors is that they think their reader is more stupid than themselves, and consequently, they subconsciously strive to explain every detail and spoon-feed the reader. There is no need to do this. The reader is as much a participant in the book as is the author. There is no need to do his job for him.
Secondly, the material is all jumbled up. It may even seem that, instead of writing an opening monograph, I have written an 'anti-monograph'. But this is definitely not so. That was not my aim. But mixing the material up was essential, purely to protect the reader. By itself, the move b2-b3 already looks like an extract from some medical notes, and there is no point in making things worse.[...]"
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Physically and in terms of layout etc.he book is produced very well (nobody would expect anything different from NewinChess).
It doesn´t deal with all variations of the Nimzo-Larsen as Jacobs/Tait did, for example you won´t find important subvariations like 1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.Nf3 (VanGeet) or 1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.c4 (Gretarsson). You can find many omitted subvariations.
It´s written from the white side for a potential or actual 1.b3 player, but it doesn´t offer concretely a complete white repertoire. Some very rare (and harmless) black possibilities are simply neglected as Odessky concentrates on the 5-8 most important black responses (~pawnstructures). More to the point, Odessky only tries to outline a possible white repertoire displaying his own problems as an experienced 1.b3 player, but he isn´t sure if he can succeed. That´s one of the reasons why he touches the main structures again and again (see contents above).
Typically each chapter starts at some point (tabiya) and than Odessky suggests several possible white continuations. First he shows ideas for white and often presents some (blitz)games where black is crashed after some natural moves. But then follows deep and original analysis and Odessky shows that Black could defend much better! In fact Black is better in (almost) all variations or at least comfortably equal if he knows how to counter white´s idea. And this way on and on with fascinating games, very offbeat subvariations, wonderful analysis, unforeseen resources and historical flashbacks. Odessky recalls his own experience with 1.b3 but only a small part of the games and fragments are his own ones, obviously he checked all important sources [for sure someone will disagree on this]. Finally each chapter ends either without solution (everything at least fine for black) and the problem is stored for one of the later chapters. Or Odessky succeeds in saving at least one possible white move and ends saying something like [my words]:"I don´t know if move xyz is good against this black setup. At least xyz is the only try as all other white moves are worse. After deep analysis on xyz the position is still unclear . I´m not sure if black can equalize at all but on the other hand white may be already slightly worse.  You simply have to put faith in this move. Go, play it at the board!"

It´s not a positive examination of sources but some kind of negative and narrative logic a la Hegel (thesis+antithesis->synthesis).
In my opinion it´s wonderful but it wouldn´t surprise me if many chessfriends (especially english/american-cultured people educated in the tradition of ~Locke/Hume/Wittgenstein etc.) absolutely dislike the book, claiming that science results from empirism and analysis but nothing else. Well maybe I´m exaggerating here a little bit but surely a liking for continental philosophy is helpful for understanding this unique opening book (or the other way round!?)

As a frequent 1.b3 player I´m sad that the book offers no solutions for all of my own repertoire problems. Instead I should be glad as most of Odessky´s problems are nearly the same as mine!

On a very subjective basis I recommend this book as must-buy for any nimzo-Larsen player and reward

9 stars (out of 10)!

tracke  Smiley
  
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Play 1.b3 by Odessky : Contents
Reply #3 - 08/14/08 at 17:48:59
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Play 1.b3!  The Nimzo-Larsen Attack : a Friend for Life

by Ilya Odessky

Contents

007  Chapter 1   An Amazing Life

009  Chapter 2   Wanderer, There is No Path Through   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 f6

015  Chapter 3   More about Knights   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.Na3

036  Chapter 4   Forgive Me

039  Chapter 5   The Student´s Problems   1...e5 2.Bb2 d6 3.c4 / 1...c5 Various

053  Chapter 6   The Litus Gambit   1...d5 2.Bb2 Bg4 3.f3

074  Chapter 7   Don´t Interfere   1...f5 Various

081  Chapter 8   Tigran Petrosian Plays b2-b3 - Part One   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.c4 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.a3 Bd6

092  Chapter 9   Tigran Petrosian Plays b2-b3 - Part Two   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 Nf6 4.c4 d5 5.cxd5 Nxd5 6.a3 Be7

098  Chapter 10  Tigran Petrosian Plays b2-b3 - Part Three, conclusion   1...d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 a6

105  Chapter 11  Dutch Motifs   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d6 4.c4 f5 / 2...d6 3.e3 f5

124  Chapter 12  Dutch Motifs - Appendix   1...e5 2.Bb2 d6 3.e3 Be6 4.c4 c6 5.Nf3 f5

126  Chapter 13  The Anonymous Endgame   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 Qe7

138  Chapter 14  Casus   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d5 4.Bb5 Bd6 5.f4 Qh4+

143  Chapter 15  There is Happyness in Life   1...e5 2.Bb2 Nc6 3.e3 d6

156  Chapter 16  There is No Happyness in Life   1...d5 2.Bb2 Nf6 3.Nf3 Bf5 4.g3 e6 5.Bg2 Be7 6.d3 h6 7.Nbd2 0-0 8.0-0 Bh7 9.e3

165  Chapter 17  Patriarch´s Pond   1...d5 2.Bb2 Nf6 3.Nf3 Bf5 4.g3 e6 5.Bg2 Be7 6.d3 h6 7.Nbd2 0-0 8.0-0 Bh7 9.c4

171  Chapter 18  Extra-Curricular Reading   1...d5 2.Bb2 Bg4 3/4/5.g3

183  Chapter 19  Speechless   1...Nf6 2.Bb2 g6 3.Nf3

194  Chapter 20  The Birth of a Variation   1...Nf6 2.Bb2 g6 3.Bxf6

210  Chapter 21  The Nimzowitsch Attack - The Basics   1...d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Nf6

219  Chapter 22  The Nimzowitsch Attack - The Tabiya   1...d5 2.Bb2 c5 3.e3 Nc6 4.Bb5 Bd7

242  Chapter 23 Don´t Grieve!   1...a5

245  Index of Variations

253  Index of Names

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A nice but somewhat very strange book.
Something like a review soon to follow!

tracke  Smiley
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #2 - 07/07/08 at 21:38:30
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A long wait till November! A good chance the following line will feature:
1.b3 d5 2.Bb2 Bg4 3.f3 Bh5 (or … Bf5) 4.e4!?
see http://www.danamackenzie.com/blog/?p=105
  
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Re: Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
Reply #1 - 07/07/08 at 15:43:54
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Hi Regius,

I see its not coming out until November. Amazon listing is very basic at this stage. Dont know if anyone else has some insights?  
  
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Play 1.b3! by Ilya Odessky
07/07/08 at 03:46:17
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Anyone know any details of this book?
  
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