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Re: Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
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Markovich wrote on 08/05/08 at 12:31:06:
 There simply is no way to do justice to the theory, even of just one major system, in a book.  And as soon as it's printed, it's obsolete.

This is even true for several minor systems. Rolf Schwarz and Janosz Flesch could write a good book on the Morra Gambit, about 30 years ago. Schwarz even included transpositional ways to decline it (Lasker-Alapin, Caro-Kann etc.). Nowadays an author needs more than 300 dense pages just for the MG Accepted.
  

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Re: Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
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Willempie wrote on 08/05/08 at 07:41:54:
Is it? I wouldnt say that MCO and the likes really hold that much more info than say Euwe's 12 opening books or Pachman's Eroffnungen. Sure it runs deeper now, but the further they get the more they forget.


It's true that a lot of old lines are forgotton.  Forgotten, because there was a negative conclusion about them, and they were dropped from the manuals to save space.  Then somebody has to rediscover it all.   

But I think that the revolution in modern theory has mostly to do with computers.  You can store vastly more information, so why bother to prune it?  It's much easier to access; and theoretical advances, at least in lines where computation is important, is facilitated by machines.  Also there are so many more strong players now, and so many more games between such players to contribute to the advance of theory.

But really I'm surprised that anyone would argue this point.  Compare MCO-10, the bible of the 1960s and early 70s, to the multivolume ECO sets that succeeded it.  Yet today, ECO sits on the bookshelf, more or less inadequate to capture the enormous breadth and continual, chaotic ramification of modern theory.

I've been preparing a fairly comprehensive set of computerized notes on Alekhine's, and I've been struck by the vastness of existing theory on just this one defense, which itself has become something of a backwater.  I have in my files much more than would fit in a good-sized book.  Maintaining equally comprehensive notes on the Closed Spanish or the Najdorf Sicilian would be a full time job, or very nearly.

It's no wonder that the books written today tend to be summary, introductory works, like the admirable Starting Out series.  There simply is no way to do justice to the theory, even of just one major system, in a book.  And as soon as it's printed, it's obsolete.
  

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Re: Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
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Is it? I wouldnt say that MCO and the likes really hold that much more info than say Euwe's 12 opening books or Pachman's Eroffnungen. Sure it runs deeper now, but the further they get the more they forget.
  

If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through.
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Re: Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
Reply #2 - 08/04/08 at 19:05:55
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Beetlejuice wrote on 08/03/08 at 20:52:03:
Bagirov surely was a leading Alekhine theoretician back then. I have what may be a later German edition of the same work: Aljechin-Verteidigung, Schachverlag Rudi Schmaus, Heidelberg (Western Germany), 1979. 217 pages printed with "moderate density", so I guess it must be expanded compared with your 1973 edition - it refers to several games played after 1973. A very decent work, which was my "bible" for many years when I played the Alekhine.


There is also a 1989 Bagirov work, Zaschita Alekhina, in Russian, which I don't yet have in hand but which I have ordered from Karel Mokry, a bookseller in Brno.  I decided not to buy the German work to which you refer just because it's sandwiched between the 1973 and 1989 works.  But for completeness' sake, I should probably buy it.

One thing you notice when you read these older works is how much more massive modern theory is than the older theory.  There has really been a damburst of chess information in the past 25 years or so.
  

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Re: Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
Reply #1 - 08/03/08 at 20:52:03
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Bagirov surely was a leading Alekhine theoretician back then. I have what may be a later German edition of the same work: Aljechin-Verteidigung, Schachverlag Rudi Schmaus, Heidelberg (Western Germany), 1979. 217 pages printed with "moderate density", so I guess it must be expanded compared with your 1973 edition - it refers to several games played after 1973. A very decent work, which was my "bible" for many years when I played the Alekhine.
  
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Alekhine's Defense, Bagirov V.K., Chicago 1973.
08/02/08 at 01:33:46
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I came by this 156-page book, published by A. Kalnajs & Son, online.  Copyright also Kalnajs & Son.  It's nicely produced on heavy paper, still white and supple.  The frontispiece is a cartoon of Bagirov in profile, in contemplation, presumably of a chess move.  The work is a very interesting exposition of early (from a current point of view) Alekhine's theory.  The style is more animated than one sees in Bagirov's later works, for example, his two-volume series on the English.  There is a notation, "Translated by Colleen T. Sen," but no indication of the original work or its language.  Russian, one would suppose; probably the first of two or three works entitled Zaschita Alekhina that Bagirov would eventually write.

Some of the theory is still good, but much is obsolete.  Still, it's very interesting to see how people thought about these chess ideas in those days.  Even by then, according to his introduction, Bagirov had played this defense in more than 100 games.

Original price printed on the cover, $4.85.  Those were the days.  I got it for $36.00.
  

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