Game 1: 5.exd5 Bg4 6.Nxf7 Qc8 7.f3 Nd4 8.Nxh8 Bxf3 9.Fb5+ c6 10.gxf3 Qh3 let's continue.

Sloughter, why do you always want to play bad moves for Black? After 8.Qf3 h6 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nec3 Nf4 12.d3 Ne6! 13.Qg3, Why would I play that bad move 13..Bg5 when I say I would play something like castle or Nd4?

So: 

Game 2: 8.Qf3 h6 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nec3 Nf4 12.d3 Ne6! 13.Qg3 Nd4 and my next move will be 14..0-0 after most of your moves.

13.Qg3 Nd4 14.Bd1 O-O 15.h3 Bh4 16.Qh2 Re8 17.O-O Bg5 18.Nd2 Bf4 19.g3 Bg5 20.Nce4 Be7 21.g4 Qd5 22.Nf3 f5 23.gxf5 Bxf5 24.Re1

sloughter wrote on 02/04/09 at 10:57:37:


Ok, 9.Bd3 should be better than Be2. But what a strange line do you offer... don't you know I want to castle ?

9.Bd3 0-0, and if you also castle, I propose ...g6, which could serve a later ...f5.

@Meat, you may understand my point later, we will speak about it, for the moment, we will just look at sloughter's refutations because it's for the first interest of the whole theory of the 2Knights defense, because now it seems in great danger.

8.Qf3 h6 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nec3 Nf4 12.d3 Ne6 13.@sloughter, warning, long variation= wrong variation. I think it's from Tartakower, and it's still right when the variation isn't any forced.
Now let's look to your refutations here: Quote:


Now my response, 5.exd5 Bg4 6.Nxf7 Qc8 7.f3 Nd4 8.Nxh8, nice, you reached the test 2 with success, congratulation. Now I play:
5.exd5 Bg4 6.Nxf7 Qc8 7.f3 Nd4 8.Nxh8 Bxf3. Let's continue the refutation, I want to learn everything I can from you.

Now the more serious line for Black.
"8.Qf3 h6 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nec3 Nf4 12.d3 Nxe2 13.Nxe2 O-O 14.O-O Qd6 15.b3 Re8 16.Bb2", long variation, wrong variation, isn't it? First, 11.Nec3 looks really strange for someone who speak about "knight tango", tempo and development. 11.Nbc3, more natural, looks stronger too. Now let's look at Black's improvments, 11..0-0 a natural move and probably a good move, but ok, 11..Nf4 still looks ok. 12.d3 and no, I won't take that bishop e2, that's not very good, my "tango knight" has something better to do, I play 12..Ne6 aiming for the d4-square. Now I want to castle and to put my knight on d4 and continue my development/attack, and I wait your improvments.

So, let's continue "just for fun" both:

Game1: 5.exd5 Bg4 6.Nxf7 Qc8 7.f3 Nd4 8.Nxh8 Bxf3

Game2: 8.Qf3 h6 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Be2 Be7 11.Nec3 Nf4 12.d3 Ne6!

Phew, this line is too long! No surprise there is an early improvement.

16...Bg5! instead of Bf6.
Giving a piece, but asking if you also like your King in the middle!

17.Bg5: Qg5: 18.Qa5: Qg2: 19.Rf1 Rbe8 20.Nd5: Re2:+! 21.Ke2: Bg4+
and White is probably fried chicken.