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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #182 - 03/12/09 at 02:14:08
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Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 13:14:15:
I don't proscribe what people think, MNb, moron.


"People should do this or do that" is proscribing. And you are looking for trouble, pal. Next time you deliberately use abusive language a complaint will go to the moderator and the administrator. Calling me a moron is a grave insult to all those having an IQ considerably lower than average.

Dictator that your are.
  

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #181 - 03/11/09 at 22:46:22
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Uruk, I may defend the White side here again in a "forum game" if you want, even if I agree that your line is not the most funny and promising line to face as White. It would just be to show that White is not so bad here.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #180 - 03/11/09 at 21:37:45
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More like -/+ but anyway, better ways to spend your white time than try to grovel for a draw here.

And the positions are not fascinating either.
Analyse a =+ Noteboom or Botvinnik, I get it, but a Caro with a pawn less... yawn.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #179 - 03/11/09 at 20:51:10
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Uruk wrote on 03/11/09 at 01:40:01:
Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:
Unless you mean 4...ef3 5 Nxf3 Bf5 instead? 


Yeah, White's losing there. See above. And move on.

=+ and -+ are not the same thing.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #178 - 03/11/09 at 13:14:15
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I don't proscribe what people think, MNb, moron. Rather, I say what   I think. And,  besides the BDG, I have played quite a few other openings...
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #177 - 03/11/09 at 05:10:48
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Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 04:36:57:
Not as much as you seem to worship your backside, which pops up in your posts in and out of season. And we already know that silicon analysis scares you the pants off. No need to remind us.

Since we are talking about backsides, MNb, you were the one who wrote the above, correct? My pants are still on, thank you for asking.
In fact, I recently bought an expensive suit, with pants and jacket. 
So there.


This logic provides the ultimate proof that the BDG is the best opening White can play - for people like you. I will not begin with the tedious task to quote all your posts that contain the b-word.

Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 04:36:57:

You say I am a dictator? Bull. Merde, as the French say. No, I hold to the view that a man should use his brains more often to think, and depend less on computers for assistance when it comes to chess analyses!


The logic of all dictators: proscribing others what to do. Fortunately you don't have the means.

I don't care what you have seen played and what not. I have seen a few more openings played, on all thinkable levels; information value again about zero.
  

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #176 - 03/11/09 at 04:36:57
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Not as much as you seem to worship your backside, which pops up in your posts in and out of season. And we already know that silicon analysis scares you the pants off. No need to remind us.

Since we are talking about backsides, MNb, you were the one who wrote the above, correct? My pants are still on, thank you for asking.
In fact, I recently bought an expensive suit, with pants and jacket. 
So there.

You say I am a dictator? Bull. Merde, as the French say. No, I hold to the view that a man should use his brains more often to think, and depend less on computers for assistance when it comes to chess analyses!

I will post more analyses later, as it is 12:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, and I have a midterm in 12 hours.

But what's wrong with 5...Bf5 6 g4 Bg6 7 Ne5 e6 8 g5 Nd5 9 Qf3 ? Nothing!

Most players I have played never played 5...c6 against the BDG. And that is my point, right there: Only seasoned players will play 5...c6, people who know something against the BDG.  Where I live, I have seen experts, masters, IMs, GMs, play anything but 5...c6 against the BDG. 

I have seen the following played:

5...Bf5 6 Ne5 e6 6 g4 Bg6 7 g5 Nd5 (7...Nfd7, 7...Nh5, 7...Ng8) 8 Qf3 c6 9 Bd3

 5...Bg4 6 h3 Bxf3 (6...Bh5 7 g4 Bg6 8 Ne5 e6 9 g5 Nd5 10 Qf3 c6 11 Bd3)   7 Qxf3 c6
 5...e6

 5...g6


just to name a few.

And after 1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 I see the following:

  4...e3?! Langeheinecke Defense, usually played by cowards;
  4...Bf5 Vienna Defense;
  4...c5  Brombacher Counter-Gambit;
  4...g6  Albrecht Defense;
  4...Nc6  Lamb Defense;
  4...Nd5  every once in a while.
  4...e5?! Elbert Counter-Gambit;
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #175 - 03/11/09 at 03:33:10
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Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:

I'm not interested in computer analyses because as I stated earlier, men should use their own heads, not the computer! Simple as that.

Dictator.

Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:

As for 1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 c6 5 Nxe4 Bf5 6 Ng3 seems okay for White.
6...Bg6.

Would you play 1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Bf5 5.Ng3 Bg6 and now the cowardly 6.f3?! voluntarily? Still after 6...Nf6 it is exactly the same position. What you essentially admit here is that the BDG is inferior to the normal 3.Nc3 vs. the Caro-Kann. Not that the majority of sensible chessplayers will be surprised.

Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:
No, you worship the computer and kiss my backside. Your own backside is sitting on a cactus, by which a broken chess engine stands. Too much analyses!!  Grin

Just to make sure I checked. No, my computers are on a desk, not on an altar. Last person I gave a kiss was my girlfriend, not you and certainly not the more distasteful parts of your body. I wonder though why you are so focused on these. Any shrink around? Beneath my backside is a chair and my engines work fine. Thank you for your concern.

Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:
And, OK, I will see what I can do to repost the 1997 article.

Yes, that will make me forgive you your superfluous comments in the thread on the Sicilian Wing Gambit ao.
  

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #174 - 03/11/09 at 01:40:01
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Gambit wrote on 03/11/09 at 00:27:53:
Unless you mean 4...ef3 5 Nxf3 Bf5 instead? 


Yeah, White's losing there. See above. And move on.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #173 - 03/11/09 at 00:27:53
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MNb wrote on 03/10/09 at 21:21:01:
Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Excuse me, Mr. Coward, but my responses have a point.

Not that I - and with me a few others - have noticed. FYI: Coward is not the English translation for Nieuweboer. As that one is probably too long, just call me Mr. MNb.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:

First, you guys seem to frigging worship the computer

Not as much as you seem to worship your backside, which pops up in your posts in and out of season. And we already know that silicon analysis scares you the pants off. No need to remind us.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Second, I have no idea what Diemer wrote in 1943. Care to translate the article and post it here?

No, but I might in your Confederacy thread. If you learn some manners.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Third, I suggested, and others agreed, that after 4...c6 5 Nxe4 was best. Then 5...Nxe4 6 fxe4 e5 7 Bc4 is what Diemer used to play.
But that has been discussed here.

And also has been discussed that 5...Bf5 is superior. Again fully in the spirit of Diemer you don't care to give Black's best.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:

Fourth, after 5...Bf5 6 Ne5 e6 7 g4 Bg6 8 g5 Nd5 9 Qf3 White has the edge.

See Third.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Fifth, I'll try to post the 1997 article if I can.

Now that would be nice. Not the whole article, I am not going to waste my time going over dozens of irrelevant lines, just a couple of main lines.


I'm not interested in computer analyses because as I stated earlier, men should use their own heads, not the computer! Simple as that.

As for 1 d4 d5 2 e4 de4 3 Nc3 Nf6 4 f3 c6 5 Nxe5 Bf5 6 Ng3 seems okay for White. Unless you mean 4...ef3 5 Nxf3 Bf5 instead? 

No, you worship the computer and kiss my backside. Your own backside is sitting on a cactus, by which a broken chess engine stands. Too much analyses!!  Grin

And, OK, I will see what I can do to repost the 1997 article.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #172 - 03/10/09 at 21:21:01
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Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Excuse me, Mr. Coward, but my responses have a point.

Not that I - and with me a few others - have noticed. FYI: Coward is not the English translation for Nieuweboer. As that one is probably too long, just call me Mr. MNb.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:

First, you guys seem to frigging worship the computer

Not as much as you seem to worship your backside, which pops up in your posts in and out of season. And we already know that silicon analysis scares you the pants off. No need to remind us.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Second, I have no idea what Diemer wrote in 1943. Care to translate the article and post it here?

No, but I might in your Confederacy thread. If you learn some manners.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Third, I suggested, and others agreed, that after 4...c6 5 Nxe4 was best. Then 5...Nxe4 6 fxe4 e5 7 Bc4 is what Diemer used to play.
But that has been discussed here.

And also has been discussed that 5...Bf5 is superior. Again fully in the spirit of Diemer you don't care to give Black's best.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:

Fourth, after 5...Bf5 6 Ne5 e6 7 g4 Bg6 8 g5 Nd5 9 Qf3 White has the edge.

See Third.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 12:56:25:
Fifth, I'll try to post the 1997 article if I can.

Now that would be nice. Not the whole article, I am not going to waste my time going over dozens of irrelevant lines, just a couple of main lines.
  

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #171 - 03/10/09 at 19:39:12
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If you had read some of this you would know that
5...Bf5 6.Ne5?! e6?! justifies White's last nervous move.

Black starts the Caro formation by 6...c6 so that 7.g4 is senseless and the Ne5 does nothing at all.
  
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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #170 - 03/10/09 at 12:56:25
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Excuse me, Mr. Coward, but my responses have a point.

First, you guys seem to frigging worship the computer to the point where the chess engine gives you the answers. Not I.

Second, I have no idea what Diemer wrote in 1943. Care to translate the article and post it here?

Third, I suggested, and others agreed, that after 4...c6 5 Nxe4 was best. Then 5...Nxe4 6 fxe4 e5 7 Bc4 is what Diemer used to play.
But that has been discussed here.

Fourth, after 5...Bf5 6 Ne5 e6 7 g4 Bg6 8 g5 Nd5 9 Qf3 White has the edge.

Fifth, I'll try to post the 1997 article if I can.
  
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Reply #169 - 03/10/09 at 11:23:17
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You are a true inheritor of EJ Diemer. Back in 1943 he already wrote "stuff" about "the Maginot spirit", which essentially means the same as your cowardice nonsense.

Nice that you wrote an article more than 10 years ago. But on this site you wrote zero on 4...c6 and 5...c6 except three remarks:

1) 6.a3! end of the line. It seems even too much work for you to give us a few main lines.
2) not the Alchemy. End of argumentation.
3) rather Ne5 than Ng5. End of analysis and argumentation.

Very impressive contributions, really. I would almost say - cowardly.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 05:58:16:

Macho talk, my backside!

Another fine example of macho talk.

Gambit wrote on 03/10/09 at 05:58:16:
What else to call cowardly lines that are not in the spirit of the great Romantic spirit of the 19th century? What else to call cowards like Uruk who chicken out of honest challenges?

For this attitude I refer to my post in your confederacy-chess thread. Here it suffices that EJ Diemer used similar "logic" in that 1943 article.
  

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Re: Antidotes to the Blackmar-Diemer Gambit
Reply #168 - 03/10/09 at 05:58:16
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I have plenty of contributions against the cowardly ...c6 lines. In fact, I wrote an article about defeating ...c6 lines, back in 1997. I would love to attach it here, but the file is too big.

Also, I have defeated my share of ...c6 players in OTB games.

Macho talk, my backside! What else to call cowardly lines that are not in the spirit of the great Romantic spirit of the 19th century? What else to call cowards like Uruk who chicken out of honest challenges?
  
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