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Re: Gelo's or Moran's "World Championships"
Reply #3 - 01/19/09 at 19:09:05
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Greetings,

Thank you for the link, LeeRoth!  Smiley

I was tending towards the Moran books, as he is a chess columnist and his volumes have annotations.

I'm still wondering though...

Which of the sources is correct!?  Huh

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Re: Gelo's or Moran's "World Championships"
Reply #2 - 01/17/09 at 17:46:29
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The Gelo book is a waste of money.  The games are all available in databases or on line.  Try here:   

http://www.mark-weeks.com/chess/wcc-indx.htm
  
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Re: Gelo's or Moran's "World Championships"
Reply #1 - 01/12/09 at 04:12:16
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In this age of databases, I don't know why I still own Gelo's book.  It is unannotated, but does contain some interesting matches dating from the Labourdonnais-McDonnell matches of 1843 through 1984.  

This includes two match-play tournaments that are not normally considered world championship matches, matches played by Staunton, Morphy and Anderssen and most importantly, an excellent bibliography for checking where Gelo found his source games.

Ok, I do know why I keep the book.  I love looking things up, and there are times that looking a specific game up can be faster if I know exactly where it is on my shelf than by going through a dtabase that may have some funky spelling of a name.  Even if it isn't faster, I still like the library-feel of having the book!

I have no idea if it's better or worse than other bound game collections.  It does use English Algebraic (N for Knight instead of figurines), and it does seem to be complete up to 1984.  

I have books (yes, actual books) of every world championship match from 1834-Elista, 2005.  Right now, I strongly recommend From London to Elista by Bareev and Levitov to anyone who reads the Chess Pub!
  
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Gelo's or Moran's "World Championships"
01/11/09 at 00:59:19
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Greetings,

I was wondering which would the members recommend between the two author's tomes covering all the world champions from time immemorial to the present?

Edit:
Gelo's tomes - http://www.chesshouse.com/Chess_World_Championships_Gelo_p/7187.htm

I found the following review from http://www.msoworld.com/mindzine/news/chess/reviews.html
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Chess World Championships
by James H. Gelo
2000 (2nd Edition), McFarland & Co., softcover, algebraic notation, 838 pp., $25.00

Gelo's reference work contains all games played in world championship competition from 1834-1998. This includes important games played before the "official" world championship began, such as Labourdonnais vs McDonnell, Saint-Amant vs Staunton, London 1851, and matches contested by Morphy and Anderssen. The games end with Karpov vs Anand 1998.

Algebraic notation is used, which is especially nice for the older games, which are usually given in the outdated descriptive notation in most books. Each game is accompanied by a diagram at a crucial moment of the battle. The diagrams are clear and the pieces are standard. Included are a bibliography of books and magazines consulted, and a detailed opening classification.

I find myself picking this book up and thumbing through it repetitively. It works well for a general overview of the development of chess over the past 150 years. I can discover at a glance what openings were played, how long the games lasted, who played whom, and when. What's not to like? I have no answer.

I spot checked a number of games at random against the scores given in the ChessBase Big Database 2000. In the game Lasker-Capablanca 1921, 10th match game, Gelo has 41. Ne3 while ChessBase give 41. Nc3, no problems arise with the score either way. In Petrosian-Botvinnik 1963, 3rd match game, Gelo gives 21... Rfb8 while ChessBase has 21... Rab8; then Gelo give 26... Rab8 while ChessBase has 26... Rfb8. And Gelo gives 52. Kg1 while ChessBase has 52. Kg2. Those were the only differences in the games I checked. The point of my little survey is to merely note that their are some minor discrepancies between a few game scores in Gelo and ChessBase, not to assign blame to either one.

There is no detailed analysis in this book, not even a "!" or "?". The book already tops 800 pages as is; any significant analysis would double its size. The book is a compilation of the game scores themselves, and little else. There is nothing here in the way of commentary, "atmosphere," or biographies of the players. The reader will need other books for those kinds of details.

One would have thought that in this day of computer databases a book like this would be unnecessary or pointless, but I see that this is not the case. Databases are fine for compiling statistics and annotating games, but a reference book which brings together all the games and results of the world championship matches still is a valuable addition to the library of chess book aficionados.

Reviewed by Stephen Leary.

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[My emphasis]

Moran's ones - http://www.amazon.com/World-Chess-Championship-Steinitz-Alekhine/dp/1843821176/r...

Interesting that there should be a discrepancy between the book and Chessbase - I wonder what Moran's books show for the same games!?

Certainly, if one wishes to see annotations, then Moran's books would be the way to go.

I'd be interested to know if anyone has the latter's books and could cross-check the mentioned games!?  Huh

Kindest regards,

Dragan Glas
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