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Question: Which continuation is the best against the Benko/Volga


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Accepted with bxa6 and e4+g3 8 (7.9%) Accepted with bxa6 and e4+h3 5 (5.0%) Accepted with bxa6 and Nf3+Nd2 3 (3.0%) Accepted with bxa6 and f4 2 (2.0%) Accepted with bxa6 and g3 20 (19.8%) Accepted - The Zaitsev (5.Nc3) 5 (5.0%) Accepted - The Dlugy (5.f3) 10 (9.9%) Accepted with 5. b6 28 (27.7%) Other accepted 4 (4.0%) Refused 16 (15.8%) Total votes: 101 « Created by: thibdb13 on: 01/22/09 at 19:49:32 »

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What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? (Read 34142 times)

Cymantex YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 17 Location: Sweden Joined: 02/15/11 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #41 - 02/15/11 at 23:40:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	What is with the benko gambit nowadays!? Everyone is playing it against me! I actually meet it more than openings like the Nimzo and the QGD amazingly enough and it's not that I keep playing the same players over and over either. Because of this I spent quite a lot of time cooking something up against this dreaded opening and actually managed to come up with something rather interesting and promising for once (for now it's classified information until I discover that my discovery was a complete failure).


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #40 - 01/26/11 at 01:51:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have just played 13.Be3 in a corr. game at ICCF. I'll keep you guys informed.

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Paul Cumbers Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Grantham Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #39 - 01/25/11 at 17:05:41	Post Tools	Print Post
	Paul Cumbers wrote on 02/03/10 at 19:55:30: How about the following line for White: 5.f3 e6 6.e4 exd5 7.e5 Qe7 8.Qe2 Ng8 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.Nh3 c4, and now 11.Nf4 Qc5 12.Nfxd5!? It's been played a few times, but White didn't follow up correctly, e.g. Nguyen Chi Minh v Tirard (France, 2003) continued 12...Bxd5 13.Be3 Qb4 14.a3 Qa5 15.Bd2 Be6 16.Nd5 Qa4 17.Nb6 Qxb5 18.Nxa8 Qb7 19.Qe4 Nc6 20.Bxc4 Qxa8 with an unclear position, although Black's minor pieces may be preferable to the rook and pawn. However, White can improve with 17.Nc7+! Kd8 18.b6! (not 18.Nxa8?! axb5 when White's knight might not be able to escape, e.g. 19.Nb6 Qa6 20.Be3 Bb4+! 21.axb4 [or 21.Kf2 Ba5!] 21...Qxa1+ 22.Kf2, unclear) 18...Qc6 19.Qe4 d5 20.exd6 Bxd6 21.Nxa8 Nf6 22.Qxc6 Nxc6 and White has Nc7, leaving him the exchange up for nothing! How about that! It was interesting to see the recent game Nyzhnyk v Siebrecht (from Wijk aan Zee) follow my above analysis with 17.Nc7+: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6968 After 17...Kd8, White played 18.Nxa8 (which I considered to be inferior to 18.b6), and then 18...axb5 19.Nb6 Qa6 20.Be3 Bb4+ 21.axb4 Qxa1+ 22.Kf2 resulted in a position I assessed as unclear. However, Nyzhnyk showed that White seems to be doing well here too (the stranded knight on b6 isn't the problem I thought it would be). He wrapped things up nicely with a king hunt: 22...Nc6 23.Qd2 Nxe5 24.Qd6 Qxb2+ 25.Kg1 Nc6 26.Qf8+ Kc7 27.Qc8+ Kd6 28.Bc5+ Ke5 29.Nxd7+ Bxd7 30.Qxd7 Nf6 31.Qxc6 c3 32.Qd6+ Kf5 33.Bd3+ Kg5 34.Be3+ 1-0. So the game only strengthens the conclusion that 16...Qa4 is a mistake (relatively best is 16...Qd8 - see other thread for Nakamura v Vachier Lagrave http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173578867/10#10).


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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #38 - 07/06/10 at 01:31:37	Post Tools	Print Post
	I agree with GrizzleBazzle. The Georgiev book is excellent. He presents a more straightforward way of playing the ..b6 lines than Palliser did in Play 1.d4, and puts some teeth in this system. Along the way, he rehabilitates several lines that were thought to be fine for Black, improving on existing analysis by Knaak, Flear and others. I've yet to get through the whole book -- there's a lot here -- but I've been impressed so far.


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GrizzleBazzle Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 60 Joined: 05/01/07	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #37 - 07/05/10 at 20:01:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Keano wrote on 07/05/10 at 14:35:45: Antillian wrote on 02/06/10 at 23:40:50: Chess Stars will be releasing a book next month apparently. Should be interesting for Benko haters like me. Squeezing the Gambits: the Benko, Budapest, Albin and Bluemenfeld by Kiril Georgiev - a positional repertoire for White Looks like an interesting book from the intro - against the Benko he recommends a sophisticated move-order of 4.Nf3 and only if 4...g6 then going into the b6 stuff: 5.cxb5 a6 6.b6. This gives Black more options but apparently he is a bit concerned by 4.cxb5 a6 5.b6 e6!? It all looks like very sensible stuff for White, although I doubt Benko players will be quaking in their boots either. You’re may be right in that it might not have Benko players quaking, no cutting-edge theory trying to outright refute black’s play, but its finally given me a line against the Benko that I feel comfortable with. The Benko has always been an opening that I just didn’t “get.” No matter what I tried, it failed miserably. Whenever it appeared on the board, I always felt like immediately resigning. Since getting the book, I’ve only faced the Benko in online blitz, but I feel like I finally know what I’m playing for and my results against it have improved markedly. I think this is an excellent work by Georgiev. The Main Ideas section of the Benko chapter is worth the price alone.


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Keano God Member Offline Money doesn't talk, it swears. Posts: 2928 Location: Toulouse Joined: 05/25/05 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #36 - 07/05/10 at 14:35:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Antillian wrote on 02/06/10 at 23:40:50: Chess Stars will be releasing a book next month apparently. Should be interesting for Benko haters like me. Squeezing the Gambits: the Benko, Budapest, Albin and Bluemenfeld by Kiril Georgiev - a positional repertoire for White Looks like an interesting book from the intro - against the Benko he recommends a sophisticated move-order of 4.Nf3 and only if 4...g6 then going into the b6 stuff: 5.cxb5 a6 6.b6. This gives Black more options but apparently he is a bit concerned by 4.cxb5 a6 5.b6 e6!? It all looks like very sensible stuff for White, although I doubt Benko players will be quaking in their boots either.


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Pantu Ex Member	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #35 - 04/05/10 at 14:27:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	FWIW, Avrukh gives 15 Ne1! as the only way to an advantage (he thinks black is ok after 15 Nxe5 Nxe5. One point is that the queen is defended so 15...c4?! 16 b4 Rxb4?! loses to 17 Ne4 so 17...Qa4 doesn't help. His main line is 15 Ne1 Qa3 16 h3 when f4 is a threat and after the white queen moves Nc2 hits the black queen. I haven't looked at this in detail but Avrukh has 2 pages on analysis on this line.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #34 - 04/05/10 at 06:30:20	Post Tools	Print Post
	Any idea why the diagram didn't post properly? Thanks to Papageno for helping me! (I had an extra line in the fen.)
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Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga?
Reply #33 - 04/05/10 at 06:29:49

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I've been continuing to use 10.Rb1 in correspondence games and have so far scored 100%.

But now, someone's played 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 b5 4.cb5 a6 5.ba6 Ba6 6.Nc3 g6 7.Nf3 Bg7 8.g3 0-0 9.Bg2 d6 10.Rb1 Nbd7 11.0-0 Qa5 12.Bd2 Rfb8 13.Qc2 Ng4 (13...Nb6 is discussed elsewhere) 14.b3 Nge5 15.Ne5 and now instead of the normal 15...Ne5, leading to a nice position for White, my opponent played 15...Be5!?

The idea is 16.a4 c4! and Black has managed quite well!

So I tried 16.Ne4 Qa3 (again, see the 13...Nb6 line) 17.Bc3 c4! and Black managed to get sufficient counterplay.

Is there a known antidote to 15...Be5?

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Alias God Member Offline Posts: 1512 Location: East of the river Svartån Joined: 11/19/04	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #32 - 02/08/10 at 12:17:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	Antillian wrote on 02/06/10 at 23:40:50: Chess Stars will be releasing a book next month apparently. Should be interesting for Benko haters like me. Squeezing the Gambits: the Benko, Budapest, Albin and Bluemenfeld by Kiril Georgiev - a positional repertoire for White Great news! I'm looking forward to this book. I've been using the Qc2 line (see fairly recent NiC yb) in blitz games but I'll surely take a close look at Georgiev's suggestions.

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #31 - 02/07/10 at 20:43:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Efstratios Grivas had an article proposing a White repertoire against the Budapest in the Yearbook a few volumes ago.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #30 - 02/07/10 at 20:22:45	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks Antillian! I've enjoyed many of Georgiev's games, so I will certainly be interested in this book. As an aside, I grew weary of the Budapest books that seemed never to find a good idea for white. It may be refreshing to see a strong GM champion the first player in these lines.


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Antillian God Member Offline Brilliance without dazzle! Posts: 1757 Joined: 01/05/03 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #29 - 02/06/10 at 23:40:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Chess Stars will be releasing a book next month apparently. Should be interesting for Benko haters like me. Squeezing the Gambits: the Benko, Budapest, Albin and Bluemenfeld by Kiril Georgiev - a positional repertoire for White

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Paul Cumbers Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Grantham Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #28 - 02/03/10 at 23:55:16	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm continuing the discussion of this line (with the better 14...Qd8) here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1173578867/10#10


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Paul Cumbers Full Member Offline Posts: 175 Location: Grantham Joined: 01/04/03 Gender:	Re: What is the best way to meet the Benko/Volga? Reply #27 - 02/03/10 at 19:55:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 02/03/09 at 07:38:59: I wouldn't call it the best way to meet the Benko, but 4.Bg5, as suggested in 'Dangerous Weapons: The Benoni and Benko' looks like a unorthodox yet quite tricky anti-Benko line. I once had a look at the 5.f3 Dlugy Variation, but never played it as White because I couldn't find any advantage for White in the 5...e6 6.e4 ed5 7.e5 Qe7 8.Qe2 Ng8 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.Nh3 c4 11.Be3 ab5 12.0-0-0 Qb4 variation, with the key idea of the queen sacrifice 13.Rd5 Qc3! 14.bc3 Bd5 15.Nf4 Ba3 16.Kb1 Ne7, which has been assessed as equal by some commentators but is in my (and Pinski's) view somewhat favourable for Black. 13.Nf4 Ne7 14.Qf2 is more common, but Black fully equalises here as well. Based partly on my experience with the variation as Black, I would argue that the 5.f3 e6 variation is even easier to play for Black than White. How about the following line for White: 5.f3 e6 6.e4 exd5 7.e5 Qe7 8.Qe2 Ng8 9.Nc3 Bb7 10.Nh3 c4, and now 11.Nf4 Qc5 12.Nfxd5!? It's been played a few times, but White didn't follow up correctly, e.g. Nguyen Chi Minh v Tirard (France, 2003) continued 12...Bxd5 13.Be3 Qb4 14.a3 Qa5 15.Bd2 Be6 16.Nd5 Qa4 17.Nb6 Qxb5 18.Nxa8 Qb7 19.Qe4 Nc6 20.Bxc4 Qxa8 with an unclear position, although Black's minor pieces may be preferable to the rook and pawn. However, White can improve with 17.Nc7+! Kd8 18.b6! (not 18.Nxa8?! axb5 when White's knight might not be able to escape, e.g. 19.Nb6 Qa6 20.Be3 Bb4+! 21.axb4 [or 21.Kf2 Ba5!] 21...Qxa1+ 22.Kf2, unclear) 18...Qc6 19.Qe4 d5 20.exd6 Bxd6 21.Nxa8 Nf6 22.Qxc6 Nxc6 and White has Nc7, leaving him the exchange up for nothing! How about that!


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