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Poll closed Question: Who will win Linares?
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Anand    
  4 (23.5%)
Ivanchuk    
  0 (0.0%)
Carlsen    
  3 (17.6%)
Radjabov    
  0 (0.0%)
Aronian    
  1 (5.9%)
Wang Yue    
  0 (0.0%)
Grischuk    
  9 (52.9%)
Dominguez    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 17
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #21 - 03/07/09 at 19:39:05
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Final Results:

Grischuk, Ivanchuk              8/14
Carlsen                                7.5
Anand                                    7
Wang Yue, Radjabov, Aronian 6.5
Dominguez                             6

All of the last round games ended in draws - not a big surprise given that the three top placegetters all had the Black pieces in the last round.
  

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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #20 - 03/07/09 at 02:02:27
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Carlsen played 47.Kf3? instead of the winning 47.Kf1.

See: http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=5269

So another endgame slipped away from Carlsen.  A shame, as a victory here would have put him in a tie for first.  However, Ivanchuk is continuing to have a great tournament moving into a tie for first with his victory today (alongside Grischuk's draw).

It's funny to hear someone above say that Carlsen is just having a slightly bad tournament.  Half a point out of first is not too shabby.
  

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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #19 - 03/06/09 at 13:02:57
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Carlsen's weaknesses three years ago seem rather irrelevant.

Recently it seems he is testing his opponents' stamina and is eager to play long endgames. His knowledge may be slightly inferior but he  more than compensates by staying power and calculating skills.
  

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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #18 - 03/06/09 at 11:42:11
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Scores after 12 rounds:

Grischuk                 7/12
Carlsen, Ivanchuk    6.5
Aronian, Anand          6
Wang Yue, Radjabov 5.5
Dominguez                5

Grischuk has to play Aronian and Anand (two players who started strongly but have faded) in the final 2 rounds, Ivanchuk has to play Aronian (previously a difficult opponent for him) and tail-ender Dominguez, and Carlsen has to play Anand and Radjabov. 

I predict a tie for first place between Grischuk and Carlsen, with Ivanchuk half a point behind. 

For annotations to Carlsen's nice win over Grischuk in round 12, see http://www.chesscenter.com/twic/twic.html (Note: Annotations by Pein may not be available on this link later).
  

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Reply #17 - 03/04/09 at 18:31:07
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I am a bit confused by the posts here stating Carlsen's endgame technique is his weak point. Actually it is his strongest point in my opinion.
He is just having a slightly bad tournament right now.
Though he showed what he is capable of in the endgame against Anand.
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #16 - 03/04/09 at 18:24:00
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It is more clear - but I still dont really understand...;

The game against Wang Hue was not really decided in the endgame.
Carlsen erred in the middlegame and not in the endgame. 

You referred to the point when there were "2 Rs and pawns vs Q and pawns". When this this endgame occured the game was already lost for Carlsen. if you think Carlsen could have saved this endgame - I am very inerested.

The game against aronian is a more appropriate example (one recent game only though).

Going a bit back in time carlsen's endgame was clearly his weak point and the anti carlsen medicine was heading for the endgame. I think he has improved a lot since then. 

I think Wang Hue's style doesnt fit well with Carlsen and that this is part of the reason for the bad results against him.
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #15 - 03/04/09 at 04:49:46
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Viking wrote on 03/03/09 at 20:11:38:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/03/09 at 01:55:08:
Carlsen needs to be very careful now.  He may get a reputation for not being able to play any endgame after his loss today (2 Rs and pawns vs Q and pawns).


A strange statement...  Huh

Why should he be careful? Because he will not be invited to super tournaments any more? Due to lack of endgame skills??


I really dont think so.


I should clarify: It didn't even occur to me that Carlsen may be invited to fewer tournaments because he has  a hole in his game.  He remains one of the biggest draws in all of chess right now.   

I was thinking that his top-class opponents will test him relentlessly in positions they would normally give up as drawn.  This will tire Carlsen out more than anyone else because only he would not be given the (relatively) quick draw that is normally rewarded for reaching an even position at a high class event.

Carlsen won't necessarily learn the endgame just by being beaten in them.  He will need to study them seriously.  I hadn't thought about Carlsen not being invited to tnmts, but he may have to miss a few to study his endgames! 

BTW, the game against Wang Hue was a very complicated, messy affair.  However, it was also a (complex) endgame.  This may be the new anti-Carlsen strategy unless he can show he really does have top class endgame technique.

I hope that clarifies what I meant.
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #14 - 03/03/09 at 21:23:01
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Round 11 Results: All games ended in draws. 

Currently Grischuk remains in the clear lead with 7/11, with Ivanchuk a point behind on 6/11 and Anand, Carlsen and Aronian on 5.5/11. 

It looks like Grischuk is in quite a secure position, although he has to play Anand, Carlsen and Aronian in the final three rounds, so the fight for first place is not completely decided yet.
  

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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #13 - 03/03/09 at 20:11:38
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/03/09 at 01:55:08:
Carlsen needs to be very careful now.  He may get a reputation for not being able to play any endgame after his loss today (2 Rs and pawns vs Q and pawns).


A strange statement...  Huh

Why should he be careful? Because he will not be invited to super tournaments any more? Due to lack of endgame skills??
I really dont think so.
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #12 - 03/03/09 at 12:52:05
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Wang Yue played very energetic and is a good player, 
and in the situation where the free pawns rolled, black was already much better, at least psychologically.
It may be equal for computers, but the "torture-factor" is clearly in black's favour.
I think that carlsen's play in the opening was too passive ...
I mean this regroupment with Rc2 Lc1 and Lb2 looks highly artificial, if you have to play like this something must have gone wrong ...

Smyslov_Fan wrote on 03/03/09 at 01:55:08:
Carlsen needs to be very careful now.  He may get a reputation for not being able to play any endgame after his loss today (2 Rs and pawns vs Q and pawns).

I know I could never have held that game, but Carlsen seemed to make it easier.

  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #11 - 03/03/09 at 01:55:08
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Carlsen needs to be very careful now.  He may get a reputation for not being able to play any endgame after his loss today (2 Rs and pawns vs Q and pawns).

I know I could never have held that game, but Carlsen seemed to make it easier.
  
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Reply #10 - 03/02/09 at 21:16:38
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Anand seems to have included 1.d4 now also in his repertoire for tourneys, not just for the match against kramnik.
I like the win from Radjabov against Aronian, it shows you do not need super theoretical openings to win against Super GM's Smiley
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #9 - 03/01/09 at 09:11:26
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I was stunned by Carlsen's lack of technique - for anyone interested there's a good section on this type of ending in Speelman's endgame books.

Wang showed that the Petroff is presenting immense theoretical problems as Chukky (who knew the endgame theory that Carlsen didn't !) held the draw very comfortably

I don't know why Radjabov chose a line known to be bad v Vishy. I am surprised he didn't give 9 ne5 a go given Grischuk's demolition of Aronian.
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #8 - 03/01/09 at 04:42:17
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Gerry1970 wrote on 03/01/09 at 03:05:23:
Seth_Xoma wrote on 03/01/09 at 02:48:42:
Willempie wrote on 03/01/09 at 00:01:46:
Not the first time Carlsen screws up known endings...


And not for the first time against Aronian. 3 years ago, Carlsen lost this rook endgame to Lev: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1437592


Hello:

Seems like something someone raised in the Soviet chess culture would have mastered early in their career? I think I read that this is a strike against some American GMs too.

Gerry


Re: Americans. Misha Savinov's interview of Alexander Khalifman on ChessCafe comes to mind. That can be found in the archives there, I'm sure. I believe Khalifman's knock against American players (in general) was lack of technique. My memory is on fire tonight  Smiley
  
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Re: What, No Linares Thread?
Reply #7 - 03/01/09 at 03:05:23
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Seth_Xoma wrote on 03/01/09 at 02:48:42:
Willempie wrote on 03/01/09 at 00:01:46:
Not the first time Carlsen screws up known endings...


And not for the first time against Aronian. 3 years ago, Carlsen lost this rook endgame to Lev: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1437592


Hello:

Seems like something someone raised in the Soviet chess culture would have mastered early in their career? I think I read that this is a strike against some American GMs too.

Gerry
  
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