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Reply #185 - 02/09/10 at 20:01:44
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as predicted then...
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What I'm more afraid of is that Marin goes the Khalifman way with vol1 1...e5/d6, then vol2 1...c5/g6 (those are a real treat for English authors) and then ...c6,...e6, ...Nf6 in some arrangement.
Hope he stops at three!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #184 - 02/09/10 at 19:32:48
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It is official. GM Repertoire English will be three volumes! I am  earnestly looking forward to next two volumes.
  

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Reply #183 - 02/09/10 at 17:50:31
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Papageno wrote on 11/24/09 at 10:00:33:
What I sincerely hope for Marin Vol. 2 is that at chesspublishing they have a second thought on the cover layout, especially the colours. 


They must have heard you, since the cover for vol2 on editor's site proudly displays the Romanian flag!

This is perhaps an indication that Marin won't propose any g3/b3 systems, since in this case Jacob would have pushed for the Saltire and its mighty diagonals.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #182 - 02/09/10 at 10:41:02
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Tops - Aagaard has indicated it will be 2g3... some interesting gambit ideas...........
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #181 - 02/06/10 at 23:52:05
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If you really want to get Aagaard's attention, you can use the Quality Chess Books blogs. However, I personally don't believe that publishers or authors should realistically be expected to address every omission found in a chess book.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #180 - 02/06/10 at 22:34:43
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I have collected in the pgn file some omissions of Marin with some attempts of findind some improvements for White covering the holes. Maybe someone could pass this pgn to Aagaard? Or anyone else improve on the analysis?
  

Marin_s_omissions.pgn ( 1 KB | Downloads )
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #179 - 02/04/10 at 23:15:26
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parisestmagique wrote on 12/09/09 at 09:53:45:
In The Botvinnik variation, Watson suggestion of 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.e4 d6 6.d3 Nge7 7.Nge2 0-0 8.0-0 f5 9.Nd5 h6!? with the idea g5 and if exf5 Nxf5 is not covered if i am not mistaken.


It could be mentioned that 9...h6 has been a main move in ECO for decades (e.g. given an exclam by Bagirov in the 1979 edition, citing several GM games). 
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #178 - 02/04/10 at 22:39:00
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parisestmagique wrote on 12/09/09 at 09:53:45:
In The Botvinnik variation, Watson suggestion of 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.e4 d6 6.d3 Nge7 7.Nge2 0-0 8.0-0 f5 9.Nd5 h6!? with the idea g5 and if exf5 Nxf5 is not covered if i am not mistaken.


Marin also does not analyse 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.e4 d6 6.d3 f5 7.Nge2 Nf6 8.O-O O-O 9.Nd5 fxe4! 10.dxe4 Nxd5! 11.cxd5 Nd4! as given by Watson and before him Kosten. The combination of two bad ideas (fxe4 and Nxd5) actualy produces a fine position for Black!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #177 - 02/04/10 at 17:57:42
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Antillian wrote on 11/20/09 at 01:37:55:
BPaulsen wrote on 11/19/09 at 08:58:47:
parisestmagique wrote on 11/19/09 at 08:45:56:
I like the English opening but my problem is 1.c4 c6 and 1.c4 e6. Books about the English often gives tedious lines like 1.c4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 dxc4 wich was already called "a dubious gambit" by Raymond Keene in Flank openings in the seventies ...


1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 will transpose to an exchange QGD, the good kind.

1. c4 c6 is a little more tricky - you could opt for a Gurevich anti-Slav, a Steiner Caro-Kann, or go into a normal Slav.


I have been toying with this idea myself.

After 1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4, in addition to the option of a QGD, Black has the option of 1. c4 e6 2. Bb4,  1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 c5  (Tarrasch) and 1. c4 e6 2. Nc3 d5 3. d4 c6 (Triangle).

Further White must play 2. Nc3 against 1... Nf6 so as not be move ordered which would gives White the option of a  Mikenas attack after 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e6 3. e4, but then there is also 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. g3 Bb4  which is not covered by Marin and which you have to research on your own. 

Of course, once you are prepared to do the extra work, White has a reasonable shot at an edge in all these lines. Of these possibilities, the only one I don't particularly like for White is the later: 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. g3 Bb4.

Some good resources to supplement Marin for this repertoire would be Schandorff's Playing the Queen's Gambit (QGD, Tarrasch and Triangle), Dangerous Weapsons:Flank Openings by Kosten, Palliser & Vigus (the  Mikenas Attack and the Gurevich Slav) and possibly Watson's Mastering the Chess Openings Vol. 3 to fill in the other blanks like 1. c4 e6 2. Bb4 and 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 e5 3. g3 Bb4.

Of course there may be some other independent possibilities for Black I may have missed.


After looking at this idea further, I just realized that after 1.c4 Nf6 2. Nc3 c5, White has no convenient way to avoid the Hedgehog. Yeah, I know...silly me.  Undecided More and more, it seems to be that the extra options avoided by playing 2. Nc3 are not worth it when you look at the wide range of extra options it gives to Black. I can see why Kosten and Marin like 2. g3. Amazingly, Marin chose 2.g3 and is having to write three volumes. Imagine if he had chosen 2. Nc3. 
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #176 - 12/09/09 at 09:53:45
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page 310 he gives 13 Nd5 two question marks, that's true that after 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d5 4.cxd Nxd5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.0-0 Nb6 7.Nc3 Be7 8.a3 0-0 9.b4 Be6 10.Rb1 f6 11.d3 a5 12.b5 Nd4 13.Nd2 Nd5(?? Marin) 14.Bxd5 BxB 15.e3 Be6 16.exd4 Qxd4 17.Nde4 Rfd8 18.Be3 Qxd3 Black has 2 pawns and the Bishop pair for a Knight. Also the famous game Benko-Botvinnik Monte-Carlo 1968 was in my opinion better analysed in "Play The Modern" by Davies in 2008. In The Botvinnik variation, Watson suggestion of 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nc6 3.Nc3 g6 4.Bg2 Bg7 5.e4 d6 6.d3 Nge7 7.Nge2 0-0 8.0-0 f5 9.Nd5 h6!? with the idea g5 and if exf5 Nxf5 is not covered if i am not mistaken.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #175 - 12/04/09 at 08:25:39
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By the way i saw yesterday that this move was suggested by Davies in his book about the Modern Defense.parisestmagique wrote on 11/30/09 at 09:08:54:
yes sorry, that's what i was speaking about, the position after 22. f6 Nxd5 23. Qxd5 Re5

  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #174 - 11/30/09 at 16:12:05
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Personally, I don't mind facing 1...c6 at all. In both the Keres and the slav approach (with Bf5 or Bg4), white can hope for an advantage. I think it's more difficult to achieve anything vs 1...e6, at least when using the Reti rather than QGD or Catalan. The symmetrical and 1...e6 are two of the toughest systems to meet. I look forward to seeing what Marin has recommended vs those systems.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #173 - 11/30/09 at 13:50:38
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ferdia wrote on 11/27/09 at 14:44:46:
Just to continue the guessing game about how Marin will go in Volume 2 - if he does indeed avoid the Hedgehog then how will he deal with the 'danger' of the Rubinstein, which, as I see it, is Black's best option after 1 c4 c5 2 g3 (also I've been trying to guess what the "inspiring" gambit, or gambits, which Aagard mentioned a few posts back might be.) Perhaps to disallow the Hedgehog and the Rubinstein the idea is to go 1 c4 c5 2 g3 Nf6 3 Bg2 d5 4 Nf3. And if 4 ...g6/Nc6 5 d4 or 4 ... d4 5 b4. Any thoughts? I'm really just looking for more speculation on what Marin might do ... 
Antillian wrote on 11/22/09 at 00:24:27:
IMJohnCox wrote on 11/18/09 at 22:54:29:
I think he's giving 1 c4 Nf6 2 g3, so as to be in position to meet 2...e5 the way he wants, but 1 c4 c5 2 Nf3. That's the impression I get from the combination of the introduction and the remark Jacob reports, anyway.


In the Foreword to Volume 1, Marin states "After  more than one year of deep analysis with Valentin Stoica, I managed to make a step I had never dared to try before, by building a viable repertoire based on 1.c4 followed by 2. g3 irrespective of Black's answer"

Also, if you check a database, you will notice that Marin has responded to 1.c4 c5 with 2. g3 every single time this year. 

So I think I have got my answer, thus no hedgehog. 


playing 1.c4 c5 2.g3 does not rule out taking on the hedgehog. It could be that White (Marin) wants to play without Nf3 after Blacks 2.Nc6, but answers 2.Nf6 with 3.Nf3 and everything is ready for the hedgehog anyway (3...b6). What he recommends there would be veryt interesting, as well as what he has planned against the Slav...1.c4 c6 2.g3 is not exactly what most people recommend to get an advantage (Pretty difficult to get an advantage against the Slav and Semislav with any move order, but he can hardly use that as an excuse)....Aside from that it is stated in part I that there is a special section in part II that will handle 1.Nf3!? We will just have to wait and see I guess!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #172 - 11/30/09 at 09:08:54
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yes sorry, that's what i was speaking about, the position after 22. f6 Nxd5 23. Qxd5 Re5
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #171 - 11/27/09 at 19:19:26
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Or maybe you meant 22. f6 Nxd5 23. Qxd5 (23. exd5 h3+ 24. Kg1 Bxf6 and White is a full pawn down) 23. ... Re5:

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Here White has a choice: 24. Qc4, 24. Qb3, 24. Qxb7. If somebody has a fast machine please post the analysis.
  
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