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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #200 - 02/22/10 at 04:38:36
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^If d4 grandmaster works can be done in two books, I don't see why c4, using what is a very narrow repertoire choice (2.g3), needs 3. It just has to be edited right. Hopefully they will sell volumes 2 and 3 at half price, since they originally promised a full grandmaster Repertoire in 2 books.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #199 - 02/22/10 at 04:01:40
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moahunter wrote on 02/22/10 at 03:57:00:
^I agree. Not only will the series cost more, but not everyone wants to put three volumes of effort into their opening repertoire, or can memorize that much. Isn't an advantage of the English, especially the 2.g3 "system", supposed to be that it is more about themes? A tight repertoire of the main ideas, I would have thought, shouldn't need this much. Kolsten did it in one book after all.

If the plan was 2 books, then I think a mistake was made with what was included in the first book, it should have included the Indian defences (like the way Bagirov organized his works). It always looked overly optimistic to include those, plus symmetrical, plus other replies (like c6) in one volume.


It is supposed to be modeled after a GM repertoire, hence why something even apparently simple like 1. c4/2. g3 requires a lot of work...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #198 - 02/22/10 at 03:57:00
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^I agree. Not only will the series cost more, but not everyone wants to put three volumes of effort into their opening repertoire, or can memorize that much. Isn't an advantage of the English, especially the 2.g3 "system", supposed to be that it is more about themes? A tight repertoire of the main ideas, I would have thought, shouldn't need this much. Kolsten did it in one book after all.

If the plan was 2 books, then I think a mistake was made with what was included in the first book, it should have included the Indian defences (like the way Bagirov organized his works). It always looked overly optimistic to include those, plus symmetrical, plus other replies (like c6) in one volume.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #197 - 02/20/10 at 19:44:39
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Bibs wrote on 02/20/10 at 14:28:49:
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/20/10 at 02:31:07:
BPaulsen wrote on 02/19/10 at 22:56:03:
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So 3 for the English seems highly reasonable.


I agree that three volumes on the English may be reasonable, but it changes the target audience of such an endeavor.

Part of what I like about the Grandmaster Repertoire series is that it seems digestible. Two volumes on a single opening scheme for white is a reasonable investment, but three volumes begins to feel like the sort of investment we used to have to make in ECO/NIC volumes.

Personally, I do own the entire OFWAK series and a couple of the Anand volumes.  I would probably be interested in Marin's work even if it did go to four volumes.  

But I can understand someone feeling betrayed and lied to if they bought volume one expecting to get a complete repertoire in just two volumes only to be told after they invested that they have to buy another book at the same price.


Inflammatory language here.  Suggesting that Quality Chess were lying to customers, knowing in advance the scale of Marin's work? Before it had started?

An author takes on a project. Does more and more research, more and more work. Gets bigger than could have anticipated. Rather than a 1000 page book, split into two. Sensible no?

Or you prefer the author to keep it short and brief? 192 pages max as per Everyman? 

Suspect Tony would not be too happy about such accusations on his site. Not a way to make friends. Suggest SF recant, delete. 



As I said, I can understand someone feeling lied to. 

I don't see anything even slightly wrong with what I said and don't see any reason to recant.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #196 - 02/20/10 at 17:44:40
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/20/10 at 02:31:07:

I agree that three volumes on the English may be reasonable, but it changes the target audience of such an endeavor.

Part of what I like about the Grandmaster Repertoire series is that it seems digestible. Two volumes on a single opening scheme for white is a reasonable investment, but three volumes begins to feel like the sort of investment we used to have to make in ECO/NIC volumes.

Personally, I do own the entire OFWAK series and a couple of the Anand volumes.  I would probably be interested in Marin's work even if it did go to four volumes.  


I do not own the the ORWAK series, so I cannot compare. But I can compare to the GM Repertoire 1.d4 since I own Volume 1. Comparing that to Marin's GM Repertoire Volume 3, I do not think Marin's series will turn out to be any less digestible than Avrukh's even though the former is three volumes and the later is two. In fact, I personally find Avrukh to be more digestible than Marin because of the abundance of prose. And this reason is exactly why the Marin series is three volumes when we all know there is far more theory in a 1.d4 repertoire than in a 1. c4 repertoire. 
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #195 - 02/20/10 at 14:28:49
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 02/20/10 at 02:31:07:
BPaulsen wrote on 02/19/10 at 22:56:03:
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So 3 for the English seems highly reasonable.


I agree that three volumes on the English may be reasonable, but it changes the target audience of such an endeavor.

Part of what I like about the Grandmaster Repertoire series is that it seems digestible. Two volumes on a single opening scheme for white is a reasonable investment, but three volumes begins to feel like the sort of investment we used to have to make in ECO/NIC volumes.

Personally, I do own the entire OFWAK series and a couple of the Anand volumes.  I would probably be interested in Marin's work even if it did go to four volumes.  

But I can understand someone feeling betrayed and lied to if they bought volume one expecting to get a complete repertoire in just two volumes only to be told after they invested that they have to buy another book at the same price.


Inflammatory language here.  Suggesting that Quality Chess were lying to customers, knowing in advance the scale of Marin's work? Before it had started?

An author takes on a project. Does more and more research, more and more work. Gets bigger than could have anticipated. Rather than a 1000 page book, split into two. Sensible no?

Or you prefer the author to keep it short and brief? 192 pages max as per Everyman? 

Suspect Tony would not be too happy about such accusations on his site. Not a way to make friends. Suggest SF recant, delete. 

  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #194 - 02/20/10 at 02:38:07
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Yeah, that makes sense - it would be irritating to think you only need to buy X number of books, to find out it's now Y.

  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #193 - 02/20/10 at 02:31:07
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BPaulsen wrote on 02/19/10 at 22:56:03:
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So 3 for the English seems highly reasonable.


I agree that three volumes on the English may be reasonable, but it changes the target audience of such an endeavor.

Part of what I like about the Grandmaster Repertoire series is that it seems digestible. Two volumes on a single opening scheme for white is a reasonable investment, but three volumes begins to feel like the sort of investment we used to have to make in ECO/NIC volumes.

Personally, I do own the entire OFWAK series and a couple of the Anand volumes.  I would probably be interested in Marin's work even if it did go to four volumes.   

But I can understand someone feeling betrayed and lied to if they bought volume one expecting to get a complete repertoire in just two volumes only to be told after they invested that they have to buy another book at the same price.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #192 - 02/20/10 at 01:18:51
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MyDisplayedName wrote on 02/19/10 at 14:17:22:
Vol 1 is of course just incredible. 


It was good but incredible? i don't think so. Especially the Botvinik section is not to well written.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #191 - 02/19/10 at 22:56:03
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It's the right decision to go three volumes if they're going to be thorough.

Look at the number of books that the OFWAK/OFWAA series comprises, given they basically kickstarted this super-thorough opening repertoire trend...

The Anand series is on like it's 14th, and apparently there's going to be a total of 7 for the Kramnik series once the 2nd edition is all updated.

So 3 for the English seems highly reasonable.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #190 - 02/19/10 at 14:17:22
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So Marin decided to split up the material in three volymes?! (Announced a few days ago at Chess Quality). First they believed in only one (a bit optimistic, wasn't it?). Then I was wating for the 2nd and final volyme, hoping for the always excellent Mihal to cast some light on the disturbing QGD/Slav-similar lines, the ones I really hate to see.

Now I need to wait for another half year Sad 

But I prefer quality to hasty stuff, of course. Way to go, Marin; take your time, it will be truly appreciated reading in the end. As always with him. 

Vol 1 is of course just incredible. Looking forward to the others (not 4 of them, am I right? Wink






  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #189 - 02/10/10 at 18:28:44
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I'm quite busy to, so i didn't analyse these lines deeper. I need to finish the analysis for the Alekhine's working group AND to prepare for a strong closed tournament in 10 days from now.  Shocked Not good days for the univercity exams..... Embarrassed
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #188 - 02/10/10 at 15:22:00
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Hi, I'm here.  Grin I'm currently quite busy with another, more serious analysis effort, but I will try to find the time tonight to check out your analysis on the missing 1...e5 lines. I'll see what I can come up with and get back to you sometime this week or during the weekend.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #187 - 02/10/10 at 13:36:06
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noone seems to be interested to update my pgn file? Where are the English fans who like to employ Marin's repertoire in their games? This is why this foroum exists, to fill the gaps! Where is Tony Ro? Parisestmagique, does Davies offer another recomendation for White? As i see in his English DVD there is no mention of this line. I have to check also Kosten's dymanic english but these univercity exams make my chess time almost not-existant!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #186 - 02/10/10 at 08:50:48
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Thanks for this post. The move Re5 in the game Benko - Botvinnik has been suggested by Davies in 1999.There is also the game Van-Wely - Shirov to analyse with g7-g5 in the reversed dragon.
  
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