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Gilchrist is a legend God Member Offline Posts: 1039 Location: Manchester, UK Joined: 03/02/10	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #305 - 09/17/10 at 23:34:38	Post Tools	Print Post
	GM4 (English Volume 2) and GM5 (English Volume 3) both announced for scheduled release on Monday, 18/10/2010: http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/blog/?p=601&cpage=1#comment-6459

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TonyRo God Member Offline I'm gonna crack your skull! Posts: 1846 Location: Cleveland, OH Joined: 11/26/07 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #304 - 09/15/10 at 20:39:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	The excerpt is up at the QC Blog. Check it out!


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #303 - 09/15/10 at 15:27:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 09/15/10 at 11:43:51: Thanks for that information Andrew; the 4...dc4 variation is one line that I have struggled to prove an advantage against, so I look forward to Marin's recommendation against 5...b5. By the way, I bought the first repertoire book by Marin, and have already achieved some nice victories with his repertoire. 5...b5 is labelled "?!" by Stohl/Ftancik, and they give a line where white's doing quite well. 5...Nbd7 6. Qc2 Nb6 7. Na3 Be6 might be black's best try, aside from 7...Qd5. Everything else appears to be insufficient according to the file I have on it...

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #302 - 09/15/10 at 11:43:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	IM Andrew Greet wrote on 09/14/10 at 09:22:01: TN wrote on 09/12/10 at 00:44:54: tetra wrote on 09/11/10 at 13:07:14: I hope Tony is being a bit pessimistic. The critical lines are likely not to last in GM chess, but I hope at least 80% will stay useful. I'm expecting the 1c4 Nf6 2 g3 c6 3 Bg2 d5 4 Nf3 dc4 5 Qc2 b5 gambit Tony and Nigel Davies have recommended in the past. I don't trust this line. So I'm hoping for some good ideas from Marin but not really a whole repetoire. In my view, 5.0-0 is a better try for an advantage. If Black defends the pawn with ...b5, White can sacrifice a pawn with b3 and gain quite nice compensation. White can also consider 3.Nf3 d5 4.b3 to avoid the ...dc4 lines, but then 4...dc4 5.bc4 e5 is comfortable for Black. TN, you are correct in suggesting 5.0-0 as the most promising continuation (after the opening moves 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 dxc4). To give a little preview, the main line from Chapter 1 of the second volume goes as follows: 5...Nbd7 6.Qc2 Nb6 7.Na3 Qd5 8.Ne1!. Thanks for that information Andrew; the 4...dc4 variation is one line that I have struggled to prove an advantage against, so I look forward to Marin's recommendation against 5...b5. By the way, I bought the first repertoire book by Marin, and have already achieved some nice victories with his repertoire.

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Kathry YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 7 Joined: 09/06/10	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #301 - 09/15/10 at 10:27:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	TonyRo wrote on 09/13/10 at 18:18:57: I found an improvement in my analysis of the Nh4!? idea. I'll post it when I can finish it. It's a bit harder and more technical to prove anything there. I'm quite curious about your analysis. I looked several ours at Nh4 again too, but without getting any hope for an advantage.


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IM Andrew Greet Full Member Offline Posts: 114 Location: Glasgow Joined: 12/15/06 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #300 - 09/14/10 at 09:22:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 09/12/10 at 00:44:54: tetra wrote on 09/11/10 at 13:07:14: I hope Tony is being a bit pessimistic. The critical lines are likely not to last in GM chess, but I hope at least 80% will stay useful. I'm expecting the 1c4 Nf6 2 g3 c6 3 Bg2 d5 4 Nf3 dc4 5 Qc2 b5 gambit Tony and Nigel Davies have recommended in the past. I don't trust this line. So I'm hoping for some good ideas from Marin but not really a whole repetoire. In my view, 5.0-0 is a better try for an advantage. If Black defends the pawn with ...b5, White can sacrifice a pawn with b3 and gain quite nice compensation. White can also consider 3.Nf3 d5 4.b3 to avoid the ...dc4 lines, but then 4...dc4 5.bc4 e5 is comfortable for Black. TN, you are correct in suggesting 5.0-0 as the most promising continuation (after the opening moves 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 dxc4). To give a little preview, the main line from Chapter 1 of the second volume goes as follows: 5...Nbd7 6.Qc2 Nb6 7.Na3 Qd5 8.Ne1!.


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TonyRo God Member Offline I'm gonna crack your skull! Posts: 1846 Location: Cleveland, OH Joined: 11/26/07 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #299 - 09/13/10 at 18:18:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	I found an improvement in my analysis of the Nh4!? idea. I'll post it when I can finish it. It's a bit harder and more technical to prove anything there.


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Kathry YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 7 Joined: 09/06/10	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #298 - 09/13/10 at 17:58:53	Post Tools	Print Post
	Michael Ayton wrote on 09/12/10 at 22:18:02: What game is this Tony/anyone? Why is Black not OK after 5 ...d5? I don't really find a substantial advantage for white in the following line: 1. c4 e5 2. g3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg2 Bc5 5. e3 d5 6. cxd5 Nb4 7. d4 exd4 8. exd4 Be7 9. Nge2 O-O 10. O-O Nbxd5 11. Qb3 c6 12. Nxd5 Nxd5 13. Nc3 Nb4 14. d5 Bf5 15. Bg5 Bc2 16. Qxb4 Bxb4 17. Bxd8 Bxc3 * (Marin gives only 17...Raxd8)


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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1977 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #297 - 09/13/10 at 09:01:56	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote: [quote]In my view, 5.0-0 is a better try for an advantage. If Black defends the pawn with ...b5, White can sacrifice a pawn with b3 and gain quite nice compensation. White can also consider 3.Nf3 d5 4.b3 to avoid the ...dc4 lines, but then 4...dc4 5.bc4 e5 is comfortable for Black. [/quote] Davies critiqued 5 0-0 because of a bad experience with 5 ...Nbd7 6 Qc2 Nb6: 7 Na3 Qd5 8 Nh4 Qd4!. How should White improve? What is the status of 1 c4 c6 2 Nf3 d5 3 b3 dc 4 bc e5? It doesn't look anything White should be afraid of, but can he hope for an advantage?


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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1977 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #296 - 09/12/10 at 22:18:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Quote: Kathry wrote on 07. Sep 2010 at 19:04: I guess white should take a closer look a 5.e3 to get an advantage?! I agree, I remember analysing a game for the site a few years back which altered my opinion of this. Wink What game is this Tony/anyone? Why is Black not OK after 5 ...d5?


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MyDisplayedName YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 17 Joined: 02/19/10	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #295 - 09/12/10 at 08:29:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks guys for your replies.


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #294 - 09/12/10 at 00:44:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	tetra wrote on 09/11/10 at 13:07:14: I hope Tony is being a bit pessimistic. The critical lines are likely not to last in GM chess, but I hope at least 80% will stay useful. I'm expecting the 1c4 Nf6 2 g3 c6 3 Bg2 d5 4 Nf3 dc4 5 Qc2 b5 gambit Tony and Nigel Davies have recommended in the past. I don't trust this line. So I'm hoping for some good ideas from Marin but not really a whole repetoire. In my view, 5.0-0 is a better try for an advantage. If Black defends the pawn with ...b5, White can sacrifice a pawn with b3 and gain quite nice compensation. White can also consider 3.Nf3 d5 4.b3 to avoid the ...dc4 lines, but then 4...dc4 5.bc4 e5 is comfortable for Black.

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tetra YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 12 Joined: 12/18/06	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #293 - 09/11/10 at 13:07:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	I hope Tony is being a bit pessimistic. The critical lines are likely not to last in GM chess, but I hope at least 80% will stay useful. I'm expecting the 1c4 Nf6 2 g3 c6 3 Bg2 d5 4 Nf3 dc4 5 Qc2 b5 gambit Tony and Nigel Davies have recommended in the past. I don't trust this line. So I'm hoping for some good ideas from Marin but not really a whole repetoire.


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GMTonyKosten YaBB Administrator Offline Mr Dynamic? Posts: 3192 Location: Clermont-Ferrand Joined: 12/19/02 Gender:	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #292 - 09/11/10 at 12:26:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	There are quite a few improvements in the Marin work, plus different/better ways of playing. Whether you think that is worth the money is another question. Personally I would happily buy one book if it gave me just one move which would win me just one game! These days no repertoire book is likely to be that much use a year after it is published, theory is just changing too fast. Good news for the ChessPublishing.com site, I suppose!


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MyDisplayedName YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 17 Joined: 02/19/10	Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin Reply #291 - 09/11/10 at 11:13:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yes, but why then bother buying Marin's 3 volumes? (Retorical question). I can get playable, equal english-type of position by studying Kostens booklet. I don't quite get if. Did Marin aim at what Carlstedt, Kosten, already archieved; familiary with the positions, rather than looking for a real edge?


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