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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #440 - 12/10/10 at 21:00:03
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #439 - 12/09/10 at 16:26:06
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McShane vs Carlsen was a Symmetrical English.

Did McShane have a look at Marin's work before this tournament? Magnus played the novelty 9...Ne5. To me the line looks nice for white.  I have tried ...Nh6 myself in blitz games and tend to get a good position if white doesn't know about the answer d4!

The game with brief notes and also some notes about this line as well as my game with GM Arnason in 9...Nxd4 on my blog:
http://zibbit64.blogspot.com/2010/12/mcshane-vs-carlsen.html

Marin FTW!

Also interesting to see such a recent game by Marin. I will have to have a look at this game before commenting.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #438 - 12/09/10 at 14:09:24
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Hi, just wanted to share with you this game of Marin, played yesterday. Black comes up with a new move (13...h5!?) not discussed in Marins book and wins the game. This line with 7...Qd5 is arguably one of the most critical responses so interesting to see practioners put it to the test! Anyway, does anyone have any comments on the game and how White should proceed after 13..h5 ?


Marin,Mihail (2607) - Solodovnichenko,Yuri (2578) [A11]
31° TROFEO EDOARDO CRESPI Milan/italy (6), 08.12.2010

1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.0-0 Nbd7 6.Na3 Nb6 7.Qc2 Qd5 8.Ne1 Qe6 9.d3 cxd3 10.Nxd3 g6 11.e4 Bg7 12.Bf4 Nfd7 13.Bc7 h5 14.Rae1 g5 15.f4 Bd4+ 16.Kh1 h4 17.f5 Qh6 18.g4 h3 19.Bf3 e5 20.fxe6 Qxe6 21.e5 Nd5 22.Nc4 Nxc7 23.Nd6+ Kd8 24.Qd2 f6 25.Nf5 Bxe5 26.Nc5 Qg8 27.Nd4 Rh7 28.Be4 Re7 29.Nf5 Re8 30.Rd1 Nd5 31.Nh6 Qf8 32.Nxd7 Kxd7 33.Bxd5 cxd5 34.Qxd5+ Kc7 35.Nf7 Be6 36.Qa5+ b6 0-1
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #437 - 12/08/10 at 17:43:22
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Alias wrote on 12/08/10 at 09:32:12:
I had a feeling 11.e4 was the book move.


In a classic Barcza-Smyslov game, e4 was played after Rac1 and ...0-0 had been played.  I think I noticed a similar game played not long ago by the young Danish IM Jakob Vang Glud, but I can't find it at the moment.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #436 - 12/08/10 at 09:32:12
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I was well pleased to beat a player with a rating 200 points higher than mine this weekend. I had a feeling 11.e4 was the book move. There were a few rather inaccurate moves near the time control but otherwise a good game I think. 

1.c4 c6 2.g3 d5 3.Sf3 Sf6 4.Lg2 Lf5 5.cxd5 cxd5 6.Db3 Dc7 7.Sc3 e6 8.d3 Sc6 9.0–0 Le7 10.Lf4 Dd7 11.Se5 Sxe5 12.Lxe5 0–0 13.e4 dxe4 14.dxe4 Lg4 15.h3 Lh5 16.g4 Lg6 17.Tfd1 Dc6 18.Tac1 Db6 19.Dxb6 axb6 20.f4 h6 21.Ld6 Lxd6 22.Txd6 Tfc8 23.f5 Lh7 24.Txb6 Tc7 25.Td1 Sd7 26.Tbd6 Sf8 27.Lf1 h5 28.Kf2 hxg4 29.hxg4 f6 30.Lb5 Kf7 31.Ld7 exf5 32.exf5 Lg8 33.Lb5 Ta5 34.a4 Ta8 35.T6d4 g6 36.Td6 Ke7 37.Tb6 gxf5 38.gxf5 Sh7 39.Te1+ Kf7 40.Sd5 Tc2+ 41.Kg3 Kg7 42.Txb7+ Kh8 43.Sf4 1–0

PS. The opponent is a club mate of bragesjo.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #435 - 11/30/10 at 21:43:23
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I am quite sure that 11.Nc3!? is an interesting idea, and most likely better than the line Marin gave. I am not sure Black has fully solved his problems after 15...c5, but when I looked at it back when the book came out and someone mentioned it, I also did not find a great advantage for White. However, it was a subnote and I doubt anyone would have been able to remember it at the board anyway, so it did not affect my reading experience. However, I am heavily biased, mostly because I am a Marin fan - besides his editor...
  
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Reply #434 - 11/30/10 at 18:18:11
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parisestmagique wrote on 11/30/10 at 15:13:46:
In the position of easy equality after 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.c4 dxc4 5.0-0 b5 6.a4 Bb7 7.b3 cxb3 8.Qxb3 Nbd7 9.Ba3 a6 10.Rc1 Qb6 11.Ng5 e6 12.Bxf8 Rxf8 13.Nc3 h6 14.Nge4 Nxe4 15.Nxe4 c5 what do you think of the line 16.Qc3 f5 17.Nxc5 NxN 18.Qxc5 QxQ 19.Rxc5 Bxg2 20.KxB b4 21.Rc7 Rf7 22.Rc6 Kd7 23.Rac1 a5 24.Kf3 Ra7 25.Rb6 g5 26.Rcc6 seems += to me ...


I agree with that evaluation but Black can defend better with 24...Ke7 25.Rb6 Kf6 or 25.d4 Rd8. That's maybe still += but probably a draw.

I think White has more options to play for a win with Pantu's suggestion 16 Qb2 f5 17 a5! Qc7 18 Nxc5 Nxc5 19 Bxb7 Qxb7 20 Rxc5 Kf7 when White can continue with 21.Qb3 g6 22.d4! at least +=. There are many ideas for White then. Seizure of the c-file, pressure on e6 via Re5 and/or Qe3 provoking further weakening with h5 and penetration on h6, ripping open the position with d5 or sometimes e4 and when Black exchanges on c5 we sometimes can play dxc5 creating a passer.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #433 - 11/30/10 at 16:14:25
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Jacob Aagaard wrote on 11/30/10 at 08:39:12:
Do you mind if I use this in our December Newsletter?


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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #432 - 11/30/10 at 15:13:46
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In the position of easy equality after 1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.c4 dxc4 5.0-0 b5 6.a4 Bb7 7.b3 cxb3 8.Qxb3 Nbd7 9.Ba3 a6 10.Rc1 Qb6 11.Ng5 e6 12.Bxf8 Rxf8 13.Nc3 h6 14.Nge4 Nxe4 15.Nxe4 c5 what do you think of the line 16.Qc3 f5 17.Nxc5 NxN 18.Qxc5 QxQ 19.Rxc5 Bxg2 20.KxB b4 21.Rc7 Rf7 22.Rc6 Kd7 23.Rac1 a5 24.Kf3 Ra7 25.Rb6 g5 26.Rcc6 seems += to me ...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #431 - 11/30/10 at 08:39:12
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #430 - 11/29/10 at 19:43:48
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Here is on game that I played vs the 5...e6 Fischer line. I got a great position following Marin's recommendation and should have won. The game is in a replayer here: http://zibbit64.blogspot.com/2010/11/marins-english-opening.html

And the pgn:
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2010.11.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Xzibit"]
[Black "Sergey82"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A37"]
[WhiteElo "2134"]
[BlackElo "2177"]
[PlyCount "108"]
[EventDate "2010.??.??"]
[TimeControl "180"]

1. c4 {My opponent here is an IM presumably born in 1982 and has a blitz
rating on ICC of 3200, best of 3300 so obviously he is a very strong player!}
c5 2. g3 g6 3. Bg2 Bg7 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Nf3 e6 {This is one of the lines I always
couldn't remember what to do. Originally I wanted to play the 6.e3 Nge7 7.d4
line but it's rather dry. I have never tried 6.d4 so I looked in Marin's book.}
6. d3 Nge7 7. Bg5 {The move suggested by Marin, aiming to improve on
Petrosian-Fischer by provoking ...h6. This is based on some games by Jobava
mostly as has been established in the  long thread about the Marin books on
Chesspub.} h6 8. Bd2 d5 9. a3 b6 10. O-O Bb7 11. Rb1 O-O 12. b4 cxb4 13. axb4
dxc4 14. dxc4 Rc8 15. Qc1 {All according to plan and here is the move that
makes sense of Bg5-d2. The tempo is recovered since the h6 pawn is attacked
and white has time for Rd1 etc.} Kh7 16. Rd1 Qc7 17. Nb5 Qb8 18. Nd6 $1 {
A novelty from Marin and this I could all play really fast which is obviously
fairly important in a 3-minutegame!} Rc7 19. Nxb7 Rxb7 20. b5 Nd8 21. Bb4 {
Marin's line ends here as much better for white. I rememered this all and
could play it fast and indeed white stands significantly better.} Re8 {
it's hard to suggest moves here} 22. Bd6 (22. Ne1 {might be the simplest way.
White wins an exchange as the rook has no squares. 22...Rc7 23.Bd6}) 22... Qc8
23. Ne5 Nf5 24. Bxb7 Nxb7 (24... Qxb7 {at least defends the f7 pawn but white
is still in control up the exchange for little compensation if any}) 25. Nxf7
Kg8 26. g4 (26. e4 {must be better, not weakening the king! I must have been
afraid of ...Nd4 type moves which is just seeing ghosts}) 26... Kxf7 27. gxf5
gxf5 28. Bf4 {I might not have selected the best way to realize the advantage.
But my position is much better and should be winning. In a 3-minute game it's
easy to go wrong and in time trouble I allowed him a perpetual check after
some clumsy moves. So the end of this game is not important but we'll give it
anyway.} Rg8 29. Kf1 Nc5 30. Bxh6 Qb7 31. f3 Bf6 32. Bf4 Ke8 33. Bg3 Qg7 34.
Qf4 Kf7 35. Qc7+ Kg6 36. Qxg7+ Rxg7 37. Rd6 Rh7 38. Rbd1 Bg5 39. Kg2 Kf6 40.
Bf2 Bf4 41. Bxc5 Rxh2+ 42. Kg1 bxc5 43. Rd7 Rh6 44. Rxa7 Be3+ 45. Kg2 Rg6+ 46.
Kh3 Rh6+ 47. Kg3 Rg6+ 48. Kh2 Rh6+ 49. Kg2 Rg6+ 50. Kh1 Rh6+ 51. Kg2 Rg6+ 52.
Kh3 Rh6+ 53. Kg3 Rg6+ 54. Kh4 Rh6+ {Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #429 - 11/29/10 at 18:26:21
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I would just like to say that I love the books. I am a FIDE Master from Iceland and I have all three books. It is so beyond obvious that Marin has put a lot of hard work into this and it's almost beyond ridicilous to accuse him of "cheating" us by not giving a clear best line somewhere. Clearly he is not leaving anything behind and he is expanding and or making new theory in some places.

Naturally with any book it's gonna be hard to "prove" an advantage in all lines. But for me the English Opening gives me interesting positions, often new ones and usually one that I understand as well or better than my opponent. Sometimes that's more important than a theoretical advantage.

I will share a few of my blitz games using his recommendations soon, either here or on my blog zibbit64.blogspot.com
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #428 - 11/29/10 at 10:16:06
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I can live with this tosser hating and banging at me, but to slaunder such an honourable individual as Mihail Marin is just too low.

Besides this I am sure that the nonsense of his posts speaks for himself. To mention that a strong GM plays a line with Black does not mean that there is no chance of an advantage against it, just that he had to play something with Black - and so on. 

I am making a complaint to Tony rather than going to engage with this level of idiocy.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #427 - 11/28/10 at 21:38:16
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Konstriktor wrote on 11/28/10 at 21:25:49:
Please remove the link to this sloughter post!


Good idea.  Done.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #426 - 11/28/10 at 21:25:49
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Please remove the link to this sloughter post! I've just gone through it, costing my 15 minutes and giving me a really bad feeling.

Let's indeed talk chess here please...

I've got the three books from Marin. I think it's a great piece of work.
If only I had the time to go through it  Cheesy
  
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