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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #50 - 09/11/09 at 14:20:42
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I am more excited for this book than I think I have been for any chess book in a long time. After recently picking up both of Marin's 1...e5 books, I finally realize why everyone raves about him and these books. I made a living off Tony Kosten's English repertoire when it came out, and now I'm looking forward to rekindling that flame. I'll probably have to go out and buy Marin's  other books as well.  Grin
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #49 - 09/11/09 at 13:32:44
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5...Na6 in the Keres is covered from page 369 to 384 in GM3. Marin says in the beginning of the chapter:

"I have dedicated more attention to this variation than to other sidelines for subjective reasons. While working on this chapter, I was surprised to read Richard Palliser’s statement in Dangerous Weapons: Flank Openings that this is “an easy equaliser”. One of the arguments invoked is that the variation has been adopted by such players as Sutovsky, Bologan and Sokolov. This is not so relevant, though, since the former played it against an opponent rated 400 points below him, and the latter two in rapid games. Moreover, the results of
the opening were anything but satisfactory for Black in the latter two games."

On page 384 he ends with:

"Conclusion:

The early knight development to a6 may be tricky enough to confuse some opponents, but it does not guarantee Black an easy life. In the
critical lines White has more than one way of retaining an advantage."

I guess only time will tell who is right...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #48 - 09/11/09 at 13:22:27
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To clarify a few matters.

The repertoire is complete and only English with some Reti cross-over coming up in the second volume. Marin was allowed to go Panov if he wanted for all we cared, but not Slav, as this was already in two of our other recent books. However, Mihail analysed some very aggressive Reti lines. There will be no disappointments there I am sure.

The Keres line. Marin does not agree with the DW evaluations. Not even close. White should be better.

Many of you have said that 2.g3 is a line played to equalise, or that there is not much to play for in the reversed dragon, and so on. I do not really understand this point of view for basic reasons. The knight will arrive on c3, we are just avoiding a few things that Marin preferred not to face, and then allowing a few others. All his chapters offer aggressive options, and as with his previous books, this one is based on months of deep analysis and has been checked extensively by Valentin Stoica. 

Just as in his games, where 2600+ players have gone down one after another in the last two years, this is not just a repertoire for punters, but one that has taken him to 2620 (I think it is now).

A PDF excerpt is available at www.qualitychess.co.uk

  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #47 - 09/10/09 at 23:22:18
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What can be said about the next volume, what will be recommended against 1...c6, 1...e6 and 1... Nf6?

Against 1... Nf6 I guess to be consistent, white will reply 2.g3.


Another answer is consistent : 2. Nf3. (And 2. d4 too Smiley )
True, my main problem with 1...e5 2. g3 is : what to do against 1...Nf6 ?

I agree that the first things I will look at will be :
- the Keres variation with Na6
- the Accelerated Keres
- the Keres with 4... Bb4+.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #46 - 09/09/09 at 21:01:04
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This book has now  been released it appears. I look forward to some reviews. But what the hell, who am I kidding - I will probably buy it anyway once it is available from my usual suppliers.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #45 - 08/27/09 at 16:52:04
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From what I've seen, A-C are not anything better or worse than any other main system vs 1.c4 e5 2.g3. I gladly play white against 2...c6 or 3...c6. I'm much more worried by the dragon reversed.
  

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Reply #44 - 08/27/09 at 16:42:46
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A bit more on the Keres variation (…e5 and then …c6/d5) and its relevance for the upcoming book. It is a dream setup against 1.c4 e5 2.g3, since White has telegraphed his intentions when Black is still flexible, and sort of smack in the face for an opening based on controlling d5. The only question is whether or not it is over-ambitious, and the answer varies in time. At present Black has 3 satisfying ways :

A) aggressive with 1.c4 e5 2.g3 c6 3.d4 e4 ;
B) active with 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.d4 exd4 5.Qxd4 Na6 ;
C) solid with 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6 4.d4 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Bxd2 6.Qxd2 d6 ; 

If this state of affairs holds after Marin's analysis, this is more than sufficient in order to meet 1.c4 e5 2.g3, e.g. by plan A against stronger players and plan C against less stronger, or else plan B all the time. Then the Keres is just a convenient way to get equal chances for Black, but still nothing critical ; Marin won't give you an early draw with White unless you are a fellow GM Smiley
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #43 - 08/27/09 at 16:34:01
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What can be said about the next volume, what will be recommended against 1...c6, 1...e6 and 1... Nf6?

Against 1... Nf6 I guess to be consistent, white will reply 2.g3.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #42 - 08/27/09 at 13:01:15
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I am slightly surprised at this choice of the Botvinnink - I thought 4 knights might be coming up but having just looked up Marin's recent games against 1...c5 , I shall await with his ideas on that !!

I hope Tony K doesn't live to regret not updating his 'Classic'.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #41 - 08/27/09 at 12:40:26
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dfan wrote on 08/26/09 at 03:01:11:
I agree, this looks a like a great supplement for those who keep hoping for The Dynamic English 2nd Edition.  It almost makes me regret switching to 1.e4.


The real test will of Marin's work will be in the second volume. As short as Koten's work was, the section on 1...e5 was outstanding
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #40 - 08/26/09 at 10:50:32
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Well, you know he's a fianchetto lover...
His repertoire seems to navigate early moves in order to reach only certain mainline positions, especially with respect to...Bb4. Indeed he avoids 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4, 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 and 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 Bb4, in the latter case by forcing the Knight back to b6 after 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d5 4.cd5 Nd5 5.Nc3 Nb6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.0-0 Be7 8.a3, with presumably 8...0-0 9.b4 Be6 10.Rb1 f6 11.d3 to follow. This is a classical dragon position that many people claim at least equal for Black, but of course a whole game remains to be played.

By playing 1.c4 e5 2.g3, White forfeits any chance of a quick e3/d4 and also avoids 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 which requires very concrete play ; he is for sure after a positional game. But has Marin found a good way for White after 1.c4 5 2.g3 c6 and 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6? if not, his first 350 pages can turn pretty useless, so this should be the first test for his upcoming book.


What's the problem in the Keres variation? People talk about the Na6 line. That was not yet invented at the time of the Kosten book. Judging from the section in the Davies DVD it didn't look like anything critical to me, but maybe he was holding back something there.
  

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Reply #39 - 08/26/09 at 10:40:58
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Well, you know he's a fianchetto lover...
His repertoire seems to navigate early moves in order to reach only certain mainline positions, especially with respect to...Bb4. Indeed he avoids 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4, 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bb4 and 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.g3 Bb4, in the latter case by forcing the Knight back to b6 after 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 d5 4.cd5 Nd5 5.Nc3 Nb6 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.0-0 Be7 8.a3, with presumably 8...0-0 9.b4 Be6 10.Rb1 f6 11.d3 to follow. This is a classical dragon position that many people claim at least equal for Black, but of course a whole game remains to be played.

By playing 1.c4 e5 2.g3, White forfeits any chance of a quick e3/d4 and also avoids 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 d6 which requires very concrete play ; he is for sure after a positional game. But has Marin found a good way for White after 1.c4 e5 2.g3 c6 and 1.c4 e5 2.g3 Nf6 3.Bg2 c6? if not, his first 350 pages can turn pretty useless, so this should be the first test for his upcoming book.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #38 - 08/26/09 at 10:06:28
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I received the same very positive impression from this excerpt as I did for Avrukh's first volume of the Grandmaster Repertoire - as with that book, I will be adding to my 'must buy' list! Smiley

I noticed that there is more explanatory prose in this book than in Avrukh's tomes, meaning that this book is probably aimed at a wider range of readership.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #37 - 08/26/09 at 09:53:46
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MrCookie wrote on 08/26/09 at 08:19:26:
Yes, looks great. Can't wait for it!

I wonder about the move order, 2.g3 followed by 3.Nc3.  


2.g3 was the choice of Kosten, Soltis (3rd ed at least) and Davies (DVD). One reason is that it avoids 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4. You also have to consider how you form the full repertoire. e5 can be played in the second move (or later) as well.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #36 - 08/26/09 at 08:19:26
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Yes, looks great. Can't wait for it!

I wonder about the move order, 2.g3 followed by 3.Nc3.
  
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