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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #455 - 01/12/11 at 14:35:00
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Although by the standards of more or less every repitoire book for white.....
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #454 - 01/12/11 at 14:15:10
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parisestmagique wrote on 01/12/11 at 10:51:10:
I appreciate Marin's work but sometimes he really ask for it ... For exemple in volume 2 about the variation : 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.b3 c5 7.Bb2 Nc6 8.e3 Qa5 9.Qe2 Rd8 10.Rd1 Bd7 11.Nc3 d4 12.exd TN Nxd4 13.NxN cxd 14.Ne4 NxN 15.Bxe4 Bc6 16.d3 he says White has a slight edge ...


I can see why he would think that (white's queenside majority has more endgame potential than black's central majority), but it definitely is an optimstic evaluation...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #453 - 01/12/11 at 10:51:10
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I appreciate Marin's work but sometimes he really ask for it ... For exemple in volume 2 about the variation : 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 Nf6 4.Nf3 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.b3 c5 7.Bb2 Nc6 8.e3 Qa5 9.Qe2 Rd8 10.Rd1 Bd7 11.Nc3 d4 12.exd TN Nxd4 13.NxN cxd 14.Ne4 NxN 15.Bxe4 Bc6 16.d3 he says White has a slight edge ...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #452 - 12/30/10 at 11:49:21
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parisestmagique wrote on 12/30/10 at 09:11:40:
I have a problem with this variation given by Marin in his chapter Anti-QG System : 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 Nf6 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.Na3 BxN do you believe that white has a chance for an advantage with a bad structure and a pawn down ? But maybe i am too much a dogmatic player ...


Being completely honest, 5. Na3 is the one line that always made me feel uneasy as a black player. Other fifth move continuations are considerably easier to handle.

I don't know if it can promise an objective edge (I haven't gotten to dig into Marin's analysis as of yet), but white tends to get irritating pressure that's not a joy to defend as black, even when black should be theoretically okay. At the very minimum it's a very good practical try for white.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #451 - 12/30/10 at 09:11:40
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I have a problem with this variation given by Marin in his chapter Anti-QG System : 1.c4 e6 2.g3 d5 3.Bg2 Nf6 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.Na3 BxN do you believe that white has a chance for an advantage with a bad structure and a pawn down ? But maybe i am too much a dogmatic player ...
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #450 - 12/20/10 at 08:59:41
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TicklyTim wrote on 12/15/10 at 13:47:22:
Neric wrote on 11/23/10 at 21:52:01:
After checking the list of variations, I decided not to buy the book on 1.c4 c5.


I've seen the contents of the 1.c4 c5 book, but is there a list of variations anywhere?
I want to see what lines I can reach via a 1.Nf3 move order before considering getting the book.

There is an outline here (but only detailed variations for one line)
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/GM5-excerpt.pdf
but I would agree with Antillian that the main difference is that white avoids the Hedgehog, but allows quite a few other things. You can hit a lot of these lines after 1.Nf3 c5 2.c4 with a subsequent g2-g3
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #449 - 12/20/10 at 08:53:03
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topandkas wrote on 12/20/10 at 08:39:11:
@xzibit: Thanks for posting your games, keep 'em coming!

@ludde: Nigel also comments on the Jobava-Pogerelov that Marin in his book recommends 6.0-0  However, if Im not mistaken (dont have the books here) I seem to remember that 6.d3 was the move!?

That is actually true, I noticed it - but supposed it was a question about a simple transposition of moves, which does not seem to be the case. In general Marin recommends this setup for white, but the delayed castling makes a big difference.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #448 - 12/20/10 at 08:39:11
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@xzibit: Thanks for posting your games, keep 'em coming!

@ludde: Nigel also comments on the Jobava-Pogerelov that Marin in his book recommends 6.0-0  However, if Im not mistaken (dont have the books here) I seem to remember that 6.d3 was the move!?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #447 - 12/20/10 at 07:54:15
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Just noticed that in this months update by Davies he quotes the game Almasi - Felgaer in the symmetrical with e5. In several other places in the text Davies points to Marins recent books, but here he forgets to mention that Marin recommends 19.Bf4 instead of 19.Nxe5. To me Marins line looks very convincing, clearly more challenging for black than the line played in the game. This raises the question whether Davies deliberately ommits this line out of respect for Marins "copyright" (this is an untested suggestion from Marin) or if he is genuinely unaware of what's in the book? The first alternative is doubtful as a policy to me - once a suggestion is published, it is "out there". The second explanation is maybe a bit surprising given the how topical these books are right now, but I know how easy it is to miss a cross-reference, so I wouldn't hold it against Davies.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #446 - 12/19/10 at 17:54:02
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http://zibbit64.blogspot.com/2010/12/gm-scalp-thanks-to-marin-once-again.html#co...

I used to have problems in this line:

1. c4 Nf6 2. g3 c5 3. Bg2 Nc6 4.Nc3 g6 5. Nf3 Bg7 6. d4 cxd4 7. Nxd4 O-O 8. O-O d6 

I never knew what to do here and somehow always ended up having problems. Now after looking at Marin, I think this idea is close to the dustbin for black....at least with the ...Bh3 continuation!
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #445 - 12/16/10 at 21:23:54
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http://zibbit64.blogspot.com/2010/12/marin-vs-slav.html

Some funny things have happened in online games when I play the Anti-Slav line after 4...Bg4 5.Ne5!

So far most of the games I get Barcza but not many players take on c4 which is the line I really want to test. I'll keep posting some good games when they happen and some trouble lines.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #444 - 12/15/10 at 15:48:28
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You can use it. But beware that Marin's move order avoids the hedgehog. With an 1. Nf3 moveorder, you will have be prepared for that. But I am probably stating the obvious.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #443 - 12/15/10 at 15:13:27
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The third Marin book starts with the move order 1. c4 c5 2.g3, and in all of the chapters White plays Nf3 in move 4 or 5. In other words, Marin has not any Nge2 line in the symmetrical English. Hope this helps.
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #442 - 12/15/10 at 13:47:22
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Neric wrote on 11/23/10 at 21:52:01:
After checking the list of variations, I decided not to buy the book on 1.c4 c5.


I've seen the contents of the 1.c4 c5 book, but is there a list of variations anywhere?
I want to see what lines I can reach via a 1.Nf3 move order before considering getting the book.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #441 - 12/11/10 at 20:12:53
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FYI and for those who have Marin's Volume 3, there is an interesting ongoing discussion in this thread:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292017017
about a position which can arise in both Marin's book and the Queen's Indian opening. Marin 3 ch.12 has the move order 1. c4 c5 2. g3 Nf6 3. Bg2 e6 4. Nf3 b6 5. d4 Bb7 6. d5 exd5 7. Nh4 g6 8. Nc3 Bg7 9. O-O, and the linked diskussion focusses on the benifits of the new/rare move 9...d6! Enjoy.
  
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