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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #515 - 02/02/12 at 16:36:40
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TonyRo wrote on 02/02/12 at 14:46:06:
10. b4!? does indeed appear to be a novelty according to ChessGames.com and NICBase.


sensible move b4, though not the only one I suppose, but I like it. I presumed we were talking about 8.b3!? instead of 8.Ne1!?
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
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10. b4!? does indeed appear to be a novelty according to ChessGames.com and NICBase.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #513 - 02/02/12 at 14:06:35
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not a novelty surely, but agree White has interesting compensation
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #512 - 02/02/12 at 12:33:53
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I agree. It is a very interesting novelty. Timman got lots of pressure for the pawn.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #511 - 02/02/12 at 11:54:47
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Edward_Dearing wrote on 11/08/10 at 14:54:23:
I would be very cautious of any book that claims to find an edge against all lines starting from move 2.  There is a lot of great analysis in Marin's books, but the more I read them the more I get the impression that Marin is almost willing white to be better.

I have just been flicking through volume 2 (particularly relevant to me as I have played both sides of a lot of these lines) and I have already found several lines where I would question the assessment of a white edge (generally because some sensible move for black has been ignored).

FYI, I really doubt that white has any kind of an edge in the line 1.c4 Nf6 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 d5 4.Nf3 dxc4 5.0-0 Nbd7 6.Na3 Nb6 7.Qc2 Qd5 8.Ne1!?


I am a bit of a tourist in this flank opening stuff but I was very impressed by the recent game Timman-Ernst where Timman played the straightforward 8.b3!?

If anyone is interested there is a video on youtube of Timman explaining the game which is well worth a look if you are into this stuff:





  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #510 - 10/23/11 at 16:15:48
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fling wrote on 10/22/11 at 22:08:39:
I actually think I will start to meet 1.c4 with ...e5 more often.


Well, a second thought, yes, but maybe not for this line, which seems a bit boring.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #509 - 10/22/11 at 22:08:39
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I think I have seen a post about a line in the Keres, but can't find it right now.

I found a game with a move that is not mentioned at all by Marin, but the move played seems like something Black should play whenever he/she can, or else why play ...Na6 in the first place? This looks like a clean equaliser.



Does anyone have an improvement for White, or maybe this line really is nothing for White? When I started reading this chapter, e3 seemed a bit slow. My impression still stands. There are other improvement in several of the lines, as far as I can tell. I actually think I will start to meet 1.c4 with ...e5 more often.

EDIT: Well, I checked the updates (which I maybe should've done before posting, sorry). Nigel Davies has of course addressed this game. Nothing particular for White in the comments either.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #508 - 05/26/11 at 16:30:48
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Don't forget to look at 6.cxd5 Nxd5 either; 7.d4 is a Semi-Tarrasch.
  

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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #507 - 05/26/11 at 10:41:12
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Thanks for the informative replies, certainly food for thought. I think I would force a Tarrasch or Catalan next time, the Benoni does not appeal to me that much, even with an extra tempo.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #506 - 05/25/11 at 21:40:14
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kylemeister wrote on 05/25/11 at 21:07:28:
Hmm; I’d say that b3 has potential drawbacks for White (such as possible issues with his queenside dark squares/ a-pawn if it goes to a3 and the inability to play Qa4)

How often does Black play ...Qa5 in the Modern Benoni?
And how rare is a setup with ...a6 and ...b6 ?
  

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Reply #505 - 05/25/11 at 21:07:28
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Hmm; I’d say that b3 has potential drawbacks for White (such as possible issues with his queenside dark squares/ a-pawn if it goes to a3 and the inability to play Qa4), and that the flip side of Black’s e-pawn not having made it to e5 is that White can’t use it as a target yet (thinking of a line like 10. d3 e5 11. a3 a5 12. Bg5 h6 13. Bxf6 Qxf6 14. Nbd2 Qd8 15. c5, Black might prefer to wait with perhaps 10...Re8).  Ba3 indeed seems the most natural way to make use of the early b3 (and of course Black has been known to play like that in some Benoni lines), but it doesn’t strike me as much of a way to play for advantage ...

After writing the above I noticed that ECO offers this:  1. c4 e6 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. b3 d5 4. g3 c5 5. Bg2 d4 6. e3 Nc6 7. exd4 cxd4 8. d3 Bd6 9. O-O O-O 10. Bg5 h6 11. Bxf6 Qxf6 12. Nbd2 Qe7 (Sadvakasov-Sakaev, Dubai 1999) 13. Ne1 unclear according to Sakaev.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #504 - 05/25/11 at 20:50:03
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BPaulsen wrote on 05/25/11 at 16:09:59:
kylemeister wrote on 05/25/11 at 14:37:19:
Equality is certainly plausible to me; b3 looks suboptimal there.


b3 is more useful than ...e6-e5 will ever be, and even ignoring that (whether the pawn is on b2 or b3 doesn't matter for the appraisal of this position, actually, but for arguments sake in typical Benonis b3 is often used to prepare a3-b4 without a5-a4 happening). It's a Reversed Benoni so there's one tempo in hand, the second tempo will come given black will play e6-e5 sooner or later.

White has a comfortable Benoni. Black will be fighting an uphill battle, since he's not going to have any fighting counterplay for awhile due to how slow his position is.


As I understood it, black should wait with ...d5-d4 until white has played Bb2 as the bishop is misplaced there and the subsequent tempo loss moving it cancels out the e7-e6-e5 stuff.  Generally in the Benoni black wants to exchange his queen's bishop for something else, so here even Bc1-Ba3 is possible.


Right. With a commitment to Bb2 black can argue against his lost e6-e5 tempo.
  

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Reply #503 - 05/25/11 at 20:05:55
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BPaulsen wrote on 05/25/11 at 16:09:59:
kylemeister wrote on 05/25/11 at 14:37:19:
Equality is certainly plausible to me; b3 looks suboptimal there.


b3 is more useful than ...e6-e5 will ever be, and even ignoring that (whether the pawn is on b2 or b3 doesn't matter for the appraisal of this position, actually, but for arguments sake in typical Benonis b3 is often used to prepare a3-b4 without a5-a4 happening). It's a Reversed Benoni so there's one tempo in hand, the second tempo will come given black will play e6-e5 sooner or later.

White has a comfortable Benoni. Black will be fighting an uphill battle, since he's not going to have any fighting counterplay for awhile due to how slow his position is.


As I understood it, black should wait with ...d5-d4 until white has played Bb2 as the bishop is misplaced there and the subsequent tempo loss moving it cancels out the e7-e6-e5 stuff.  Generally in the Benoni black wants to exchange his queen's bishop for something else, so here even Bc1-Ba3 is possible.
  
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Re: Grandmaster Repertoire 1.c4 by Marin
Reply #502 - 05/25/11 at 16:09:59
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kylemeister wrote on 05/25/11 at 14:37:19:
Equality is certainly plausible to me; b3 looks suboptimal there.


b3 is more useful than ...e6-e5 will ever be, and even ignoring that (whether the pawn is on b2 or b3 doesn't matter for the appraisal of this position, actually, but for arguments sake in typical Benonis b3 is often used to prepare a3-b4 without a5-a4 happening). It's a Reversed Benoni so there's one tempo in hand, the second tempo will come given black will play e6-e5 sooner or later.

White has a comfortable Benoni. Black will be fighting an uphill battle, since he's not going to have any fighting counterplay for awhile due to how slow his position is.

@TN: I would go for the Tarrasch as well, but I'm trying to keep it focused on this particular position.
  

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Reply #501 - 05/25/11 at 14:52:34
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If I was playing White I would play 6.cd5 and meet both 6...ed5 and 6...Nd5 with 7.d4. That said, many English Opening exponents aren't willing to enter 1.d4 openings. Someone with the Catalan in their White repertoire could even play the immediate 6.d4.
  

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