(UTC)
  ChessPub Forum › Chess Publishing Openings › King's Indian › Classical › The Bayonet Attack
(Moderators: trw, Bibs)
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) The Bayonet Attack (Read 25107 times)
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #23 - 09/29/11 at 08:14:40
Post Tools
29. Rf1 is really the only other choice of note as far as I can tell, and I'm not really seeing anything of note for white.
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #22 - 09/29/11 at 07:04:55
Post Tools
In my own notes to the 22...hg5 line, 29.Qc8+ wasn't my first choice, which I thought was insufficiently complex. However, White had better than 30.Qe8?! in 30.Bxf7 Kf7 31.Qxb7. I just don't think it led to enough for white. 


Interestingly, I don't think either side can profitably deviate from that e-mail game until move 29.

It's entirely possible that Black may be able to find some lines that fade into a draw, but White retains such real practical chances that White can still win correspondence games with the Bayonet.

« Last Edit: 09/29/11 at 08:05:20 by Smyslov_Fan »  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #21 - 09/29/11 at 05:42:39
Post Tools
22...hxg5 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.Nxe7+ Qxe7 25.Bc4+ Rf7 26.cxd6 Qxd6 27.Rf1 Raf8 28.Rxf7 Rxf7 29.Qc8+ Bf8 30.Qe8 Ne2+ 31.Kh1 Qf6 32.Bxe2 Qe7 33.Qxe7 Rxe7 34.Bg4 Rc7 35.g3 c5 36.bxc5 Bxc5 37.Kg2 Kg7 38.Kh3 b6 39.Rf1 Rf7 40.Bf5 Rf8 41.Kg4 Kh6 42.Rd1 Bd4 43.Rh1, draw agreed in H. Van Unen-S. Lakatos, E-Mail 2008.

By the way, aside from your 20. c5, I'd have to say 20. Be3 is quite intriguing.
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #20 - 09/29/11 at 03:24:19
Post Tools
I don't know that game. Could you please provide the game score?
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #19 - 09/29/11 at 02:27:25
Post Tools
Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/29/11 at 02:19:32:
Yeah, I look forward to your feedback! I'm quite proud of this game, but I'm not sure whether my idea will stand up to scrutiny.


The idea is definitely a shock, but it's clear from just checking it initially it has very serious bite.
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #18 - 09/29/11 at 02:19:32
Post Tools
Yeah, I look forward to your feedback! I'm quite proud of this game, but I'm not sure whether my idea will stand up to scrutiny.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #17 - 09/29/11 at 02:14:04
Post Tools
I'll have to check it over before making any decisions, but it's nice to see some hope.

H. Van Unen- S. Lakatos, E-Mail 2008 looked fine for black, but maybe white has something better.
« Last Edit: 09/29/11 at 03:22:29 by BPaulsen »  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #16 - 09/28/11 at 17:37:51
Post Tools
BPaulsen wrote on 06/24/09 at 01:27:13:
...

The problem variation is Radjabov's 12...Kh8 - I feel very good about white's chances after all others. I don't think Van Wely's 13. Ne6 gets the job done after 13...Bxe6 14. dxe6 Re8!? (played recently by Radjabov after the Cheparinov game) - I can see no way for white to get the advantage. Even 14...Nc6!? is problematic.

Cheparinov put a dent in the theoretical status of 14...Nh5 that Radjabov had been on a huge winning streak with, but now white has to solve those two.

Ponomariov's 13. Rb1 is likely equal even if Van Wely recently beat Radjabov with it. The simple 21...Nxe6 is equal instead of the dubious move Radjabov chose in the game.
...

I think Van Wely's 10. g3 deserves a closer look, especially after the last Van Wely-Radjabov encounter in this variation.



In the 13.Rb1 line, White has ways to improve before move 21. 

I found 20.c5!? as a possible improvement in a correspondence game I won this year. And, there are other places for White to improve.

Here's the game:

  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4989
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #15 - 09/28/11 at 17:32:18
Post Tools
It has been thought that 21...gh is a mistake, and that 21...Nxe6 is better (e.g. 22. hg Nxd5 23. ed Nxg5 unclear, Ftacnik).  There is also 13...c6.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #14 - 09/28/11 at 17:20:12
Post Tools
I'm sorry, I think I may have misread the date of the game I meant to reference. 

Looking at my own notes and database (rather than a specialised database that I had just downloaded) I see a 2009 game that was played at Corus Wijk aan Zee:


  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
kylemeister
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 4989
Location: USA
Joined: 10/24/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #13 - 09/28/11 at 16:19:58
Post Tools
Eh?  14...Nh5 and perhaps 14...Re8 (both subsequently played by Radjabov) have been thought to be better than the 14...fe which Radjabov played in 2005.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Smyslov_Fan
God Member
Correspondence fan
*****
Offline


Progress depends on the
unreasonable man. ~GBS

Posts: 6902
Joined: 06/15/05
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #12 - 09/28/11 at 15:14:23
Post Tools
I've recently played the Bayonet as White a couple times in correspondence and managed to get promising positions. 

I've followed Van Wely-Radjabov (2005) as the model for White's play. I know that Van Wely himself deviated from that game in 2007 against the same opponent, but I can't find a major improvement for Black.

Why is the Bayonet less popular than other KID lines these days?  It seems that white should score very well here, even if practical results don't bare that out. (It also seems to me that even very strong players of the white side seem to want to avoid the most critical lines only to reach less favorable positions anyway.)
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #11 - 06/29/09 at 09:31:54
Post Tools
TN wrote on 06/29/09 at 09:10:02:
I recall a recent thread on the 10.g3 variation in this Forum (I can't remember which thread), and the conclusion was that Black has more than one way to equalise at present.

I agree that the variation merits further investigation as it is relatively unexplored in comparison to 10.Re1.


10. g3 is simply another try.

That being said, I'm not seeing white advantages in 10. Re1 provided black just plays along the lines that Radjabov has (12...Kh8).
  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
TN
God Member
*****
Offline



Posts: 3420
Joined: 11/07/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #10 - 06/29/09 at 09:10:02
Post Tools
I recall a recent thread on the 10.g3 variation in this Forum (I can't remember which thread), and the conclusion was that Black has more than one way to equalise at present.

I agree that the variation merits further investigation as it is relatively unexplored in comparison to 10.Re1. 

Edit: @BPaulsen (below post not above):

Agreed. It is noteworthy that Markos claims that the Bayonet does not offer any advantage for White in 'Beat the KID'.
« Last Edit: 06/30/09 at 07:21:13 by TN »  
All our dreams come true if we have the courage to pursue them.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
BPaulsen
God Member
*****
Offline


I Love Light Squares!

Posts: 1702
Location: Anaheim, CA, USA
Joined: 11/02/08
Gender: Male
Re: The Bayonet Attack
Reply #9 - 06/24/09 at 01:27:13
Post Tools
12. f3 is the way I'd go if I had to go with with 10. Re1. 12. Bf3 (and all of its follow-ups) has been tamed.

The problem variation is Radjabov's 12...Kh8 - I feel very good about white's chances after all others. I don't think Van Wely's 13. Ne6 gets the job done after 13...Bxe6 14. dxe6 Re8!? (played recently by Radjabov after the Cheparinov game) - I can see no way for white to get the advantage. Even 14...Nc6!? is problematic.

Cheparinov put a dent in the theoretical status of 14...Nh5 that Radjabov had been on a huge winning streak with, but now white has to solve those two.

Ponomariov's 13. Rb1 is likely equal even if Van Wely recently beat Radjabov with it. The simple 21...Nxe6 is equal instead of the dubious move Radjabov chose in the game.

13. Be3 runs into 13...Bh6! 14. Nf7+ Rxf7 15. Bxh6 f4 when black is at least equal. 16. g4!?/16. Bg5!? is interesting, but probably not enough for an edge.

I think Van Wely's 10. g3 deserves a closer look, especially after the last Van Wely-Radjabov encounter in this variation.
« Last Edit: 06/24/09 at 05:20:50 by BPaulsen »  
2288 USCF, 2186 FIDE.

FIDE based on just 27 games.
Back to top
YIMAIM  
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: [1] 2 
Topic Tools
‹ Previous Topic | Next Topic ›
Bookmarks: del.icio.us Digg Facebook Google Google+ Linked in reddit StumbleUpon Twitter Yahoo
 
  « Board Index ‹ Board Top  

ChessPub Forum » Powered by YaBB 2.6.12!
YaBB Forum Software © 2000-2026. All Rights Reserved.

Valid RSS Valid XHTML Valid CSS Powered by Perl Source Forge