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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #23 - 09/29/11 at 08:14:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	29. Rf1 is really the only other choice of note as far as I can tell, and I'm not really seeing anything of note for white.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #22 - 09/29/11 at 07:04:55	Post Tools	Print Post
	In my own notes to the 22...hg5 line, 29.Qc8+ wasn't my first choice, which I thought was insufficiently complex. However, White had better than 30.Qe8?! in 30.Bxf7 Kf7 31.Qxb7. I just don't think it led to enough for white. Interestingly, I don't think either side can profitably deviate from that e-mail game until move 29. It's entirely possible that Black may be able to find some lines that fade into a draw, but White retains such real practical chances that White can still win correspondence games with the Bayonet.
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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #21 - 09/29/11 at 05:42:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	22...hxg5 23.Qh3+ Kg8 24.Nxe7+ Qxe7 25.Bc4+ Rf7 26.cxd6 Qxd6 27.Rf1 Raf8 28.Rxf7 Rxf7 29.Qc8+ Bf8 30.Qe8 Ne2+ 31.Kh1 Qf6 32.Bxe2 Qe7 33.Qxe7 Rxe7 34.Bg4 Rc7 35.g3 c5 36.bxc5 Bxc5 37.Kg2 Kg7 38.Kh3 b6 39.Rf1 Rf7 40.Bf5 Rf8 41.Kg4 Kh6 42.Rd1 Bd4 43.Rh1, draw agreed in H. Van Unen-S. Lakatos, E-Mail 2008. By the way, aside from your 20. c5, I'd have to say 20. Be3 is quite intriguing.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #20 - 09/29/11 at 03:24:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't know that game. Could you please provide the game score?


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #19 - 09/29/11 at 02:27:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/29/11 at 02:19:32: Yeah, I look forward to your feedback! I'm quite proud of this game, but I'm not sure whether my idea will stand up to scrutiny. The idea is definitely a shock, but it's clear from just checking it initially it has very serious bite.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #18 - 09/29/11 at 02:19:32	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yeah, I look forward to your feedback! I'm quite proud of this game, but I'm not sure whether my idea will stand up to scrutiny.


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #17 - 09/29/11 at 02:14:04	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'll have to check it over before making any decisions, but it's nice to see some hope. H. Van Unen- S. Lakatos, E-Mail 2008 looked fine for black, but maybe white has something better.
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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #16 - 09/28/11 at 17:37:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	BPaulsen wrote on 06/24/09 at 01:27:13: ... The problem variation is Radjabov's 12...Kh8 - I feel very good about white's chances after all others. I don't think Van Wely's 13. Ne6 gets the job done after 13...Bxe6 14. dxe6 Re8!? (played recently by Radjabov after the Cheparinov game) - I can see no way for white to get the advantage. Even 14...Nc6!? is problematic. Cheparinov put a dent in the theoretical status of 14...Nh5 that Radjabov had been on a huge winning streak with, but now white has to solve those two. Ponomariov's 13. Rb1 is likely equal even if Van Wely recently beat Radjabov with it. The simple 21...Nxe6 is equal instead of the dubious move Radjabov chose in the game. ... I think Van Wely's 10. g3 deserves a closer look, especially after the last Van Wely-Radjabov encounter in this variation. In the 13.Rb1 line, White has ways to improve before move 21. I found 20.c5!? as a possible improvement in a correspondence game I won this year. And, there are other places for White to improve. Here's the game: Download game in pgn format


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #15 - 09/28/11 at 17:32:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	It has been thought that 21...gh is a mistake, and that 21...Nxe6 is better (e.g. 22. hg Nxd5 23. ed Nxg5 unclear, Ftacnik). There is also 13...c6.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #14 - 09/28/11 at 17:20:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm sorry, I think I may have misread the date of the game I meant to reference. Looking at my own notes and database (rather than a specialised database that I had just downloaded) I see a 2009 game that was played at Corus Wijk aan Zee: Download game in pgn format


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #13 - 09/28/11 at 16:19:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Eh? 14...Nh5 and perhaps 14...Re8 (both subsequently played by Radjabov) have been thought to be better than the 14...fe which Radjabov played in 2005.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #12 - 09/28/11 at 15:14:23	Post Tools	Print Post
	I've recently played the Bayonet as White a couple times in correspondence and managed to get promising positions. I've followed Van Wely-Radjabov (2005) as the model for White's play. I know that Van Wely himself deviated from that game in 2007 against the same opponent, but I can't find a major improvement for Black. Why is the Bayonet less popular than other KID lines these days? It seems that white should score very well here, even if practical results don't bare that out. (It also seems to me that even very strong players of the white side seem to want to avoid the most critical lines only to reach less favorable positions anyway.)


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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #11 - 06/29/09 at 09:31:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 06/29/09 at 09:10:02: I recall a recent thread on the 10.g3 variation in this Forum (I can't remember which thread), and the conclusion was that Black has more than one way to equalise at present. I agree that the variation merits further investigation as it is relatively unexplored in comparison to 10.Re1. 10. g3 is simply another try. That being said, I'm not seeing white advantages in 10. Re1 provided black just plays along the lines that Radjabov has (12...Kh8).

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #10 - 06/29/09 at 09:10:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	I recall a recent thread on the 10.g3 variation in this Forum (I can't remember which thread), and the conclusion was that Black has more than one way to equalise at present. I agree that the variation merits further investigation as it is relatively unexplored in comparison to 10.Re1. Edit: @BPaulsen (below post not above): Agreed. It is noteworthy that Markos claims that the Bayonet does not offer any advantage for White in 'Beat the KID'.
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BPaulsen God Member Offline I Love Light Squares! Posts: 1702 Location: Anaheim, CA, USA Joined: 11/02/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #9 - 06/24/09 at 01:27:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	12. f3 is the way I'd go if I had to go with with 10. Re1. 12. Bf3 (and all of its follow-ups) has been tamed. The problem variation is Radjabov's 12...Kh8 - I feel very good about white's chances after all others. I don't think Van Wely's 13. Ne6 gets the job done after 13...Bxe6 14. dxe6 Re8!? (played recently by Radjabov after the Cheparinov game) - I can see no way for white to get the advantage. Even 14...Nc6!? is problematic. Cheparinov put a dent in the theoretical status of 14...Nh5 that Radjabov had been on a huge winning streak with, but now white has to solve those two. Ponomariov's 13. Rb1 is likely equal even if Van Wely recently beat Radjabov with it. The simple 21...Nxe6 is equal instead of the dubious move Radjabov chose in the game. 13. Be3 runs into 13...Bh6! 14. Nf7+ Rxf7 15. Bxh6 f4 when black is at least equal. 16. g4!?/16. Bg5!? is interesting, but probably not enough for an edge. I think Van Wely's 10. g3 deserves a closer look, especially after the last Van Wely-Radjabov encounter in this variation.
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thibdb13 God Member Offline Tal was the best Posts: 974 Location: Mechelen Joined: 01/25/07 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #8 - 04/09/09 at 07:17:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	By the way, which would you guys recommend to play the Bayonet attack with white?

	Yusupov once said that “The problem with the Dutch Defence is that later in many positions the best move would be ...f5-f7” but he is surely wrong.
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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #7 - 03/11/09 at 04:33:44	Post Tools	Print Post
	@refutor Not necessarily - the idea of ...h6 is to stop Ng5 (White's reply to 10...f5) dead in its tracks. Radjabov tried this a couple of times recently, although if I remember correctly Ivanchuk proved an advantage for White.

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refutor YaBB Newbies Offline Getting better everyday Posts: 9 Joined: 09/16/08	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #6 - 03/05/09 at 01:22:13	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 03/03/09 at 07:59:51: What is your opinion of the Bayonet Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4)? I have some other questions on this line: ... 4) Is Radjabov's concept 9...Nh5 10.Re1 h6 a good alternative to 10...f5? any comments on this line? after 11.c5 f5 etc. is black much worse than the main lines?


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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #5 - 03/04/09 at 02:34:14	Post Tools	Print Post
	@Willempie Your cited game Malakhatko-Renet looks quite critical for the 10...b6 11.ba5 Nh5 variation; interestingly 19...Ba6 is not mentioned by Khalifman, although it is the most common move in my database. I haven't looked at this in a lot of detail, but I think that 20.Rab1, as played by Bartholomew last year, is an improvement, although I can't see more than a slight edge for White. @jarechu White doesn't lose two tempi, since Black spends one tempo recapturing with the a-pawn, allowing White to open the queenside more quickly than usual (the immediate c5 instead of a4-a5 and later c5). This does give Black more time to engineer counterplay on the kingside, though. @rossia Thanks for the pgn file and the comments. I haven't had the time to check them closely, but the 12...Kh8 13.Rb1 is looking quite promising for White, based on 20.h4! as in Van Wely-Radjabov, Wijk Aan Zee 2009, where Van Wely won quite convincingly. This move is not a novelty, however, as it was mentioned in the notes to Ponomariov-Radjabov, Wijk Aan Zee 2003 (in the pgn) as an improvement. Perhaps the leading advocates of the King's Indian will start reverting to the 12...c6 variation now, since the 13.Be3 Bh6 appears quite reliable for Black. See Brynell-Kotronias in the pgn.

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Re: The Bayonet Attack
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Position after:

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 Nh5 10.Re1 f5 11.Ng5 Nf6 12.f3

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"The position in the diagram became highly topical recently. There is a common opinion that the Classical Variation in general, and the so-called "Bayonet Attack" in particular, is the most ambitious and dangerous scheme to meet the King's Indian. In the late 90's after several convincing wins by Kramnik as White using the "Bayonet Attack", the popularity of the King's Indian decreased considerably. However, nowadays we can witness the popularity of the King's Indian growing again. This is mainly thanks to efforts of Teimour Radjabov who continuously scores amazingly in top level tournaments. Overall statistics for the last few years favour Black. This inspired me to take a closer look at one of the main lines in the King's Indian.

At first, let us understand some plans and ideas for both sides. As usual for this opening, White is going to develop his play on the queenside using his space advantage. Black on his part is trying to create an assault against the white king. For this purpose Black's light-squared bishop plays an important role. With the knight jump 11.¤g5 White is heading towards the weak spot e6, which will force Black to part with his light-squared bishop. On the other hand, the pawn on e6 is likely to be surrounded and captured. In compensation for the loss of a pawn White is counting on the quick opening of lines and diagonals in the center and on the queenside. In some cases White can also play for a long-term initiative using the weak light squares in the opponent's camp. Meanwhile, without the light-squared bishop Black's kingside counterattack loses its force. The positions arising are very dynamic and contain a lot of tactical possibilities for both sides.

Aside from 12.f3 the move 12.Bf3 is another theoretical possibility to support White's center. However, recently 12.Bf3 disappeared from top tournaments, since time after time Black achieved a good game after 12...c6. In case of 12.f3 the white bishop might join the play via the c4 square (after c4-c5).

In the initial position Black has three main continuations: 12...Nh5, 12...c6 and 12...Kh8.

Other moves are worse, for example 12...f4? is a glaring strategical mistake. Releasing the pressure in the center gives White a free hand on the queenside, while the idea of a pawn offensive by h5-g5-g4 is not so effective after the black light-squared bishop has gone.

After 12...h6 13.Ne6 Bxe6 14.dxe6 White gets an improved version of one of the main lines, in this case the move 12...h6 is a waste of time.

Another alternative to be mentioned is 12...Ne8, but after 13.c5 a5 14.cxd6 Qxd6 15.Nb5 Qb6+ 16.Kh1 Nd6 17.bxa5 Rxa5 18.Nxd6 cxd6 19.Bd2 White achieved the better position in the game Khalifman-Peng Xiaomin/Shanghai 2001."

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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #3 - 03/03/09 at 16:41:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	White may try 12.c5!?


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jarechu YaBB Newbies Offline Just guess the move! Posts: 33 Location: Alcala de Henares (Spain) Joined: 06/16/08 Gender:	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #2 - 03/03/09 at 13:55:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	wow! I didn't know 10... b6 at all and seems very unpleasant from the white point of view mainly because after 11.ba5 Nh5 black has no need to recapture the a5 pawn, making white loss 2 tempy! PD: Sorry for my English.


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Willempie God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing .com! Posts: 4312 Location: Holland Joined: 01/07/05	Re: The Bayonet Attack Reply #1 - 03/03/09 at 09:44:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	TN wrote on 03/03/09 at 07:59:51: 3) After 9...a5 10.Ba3 ab4 11.Bb4 b6 12.a4, is White just slightly better or is there a route to equality for Black? I like 10..b6 for black. I never understood why black should go 10..axb4, despite what Gallagher and Cox say about this variation. With 9..a5 you ensure the bishop goes to a weird place, but then you shouldnt start improving that piece with 10..axb4. 10..b6 ensures white will lose time on the q-side and that should give you time for Nh5 and f5. I know this isnt the latest game in this line, but this gives a good idea: [Site "Cappelle la Grande"] [Date "2008.02.16"] [White "Malakhatko,Vadim"] [Black "Renet,Olivier"] [Result "1/2"] [Eco "E97"] 1.c4 g6 2.d4 Nf6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4 a5 10.Ba3 b6 11.bxa5 Nh5 12.Re1 f5 13.Bb4 bxa5 14.Ba3 Nf4 15.Bf1 fxe4 16.Nd2 Nd3 17.Bxd3 exd3 18.Nde4 Nf5 19.Qxd3 Ba6 20.Nb5 Qd7 21.Bb2 a4 22.Bc3 Bxb5 23.cxb5 Rab8 24.Rab1 Nd4 25.Bxd4 exd4 26.Ng5 Qf5 27.Qxf5 Rxf5 28.Ne6 d3 29.Red1 Rxd5 30.Nxc7 Rf5 31.Rxd3 Rc5 32.Ne6 Rcxb5 1/2

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TN God Member Offline Posts: 3420 Joined: 11/07/08 Gender:	The Bayonet Attack 03/03/09 at 07:59:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	What is your opinion of the Bayonet Attack (1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 9.b4)? I have some other questions on this line: 1) In the 'main line' with 9...Nh5 10.Re1 f5 11.Ng5 Nf6, which move is currently considered more potent: 12.f3 or 12.Bf3? 2) Is 9...c6 viable for Black? 3) After 9...a5 10.Ba3 ab4 11.Bb4 b6 12.a4, is White just slightly better or is there a route to equality for Black? 4) Is Radjabov's concept 9...Nh5 10.Re1 h6 a good alternative to 10...f5?

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