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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #2 - 04/07/09 at 20:27:12
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ghenghisclown wrote on 04/06/09 at 18:56:51:


For example, Robert Synder (Chess for Juniors was his outfit in Orange County, California...later he wrote a book by the same title...) used to tell his kids to only play 1...e5 against e4 and defend the Open Game.


I'm happy to hear that.  That's exactly what I tell my kids.

ghenghisclown wrote on 04/06/09 at 18:56:51:

It didn't matter what the kids took pleasure in nor what their individual style could be.


It is really a category mistake to talk about the "style" of scholastic players.  If a 900-level player (and that is way better than average for a K-5 player) has a style, it is to hang his rooks to distant bishops and to get his queen pinned to his king by a rook on the other end of the e-file.

As for a kid's pleasure with the game, this is chiefly enhanced by winning.

ghenghisclown wrote on 04/06/09 at 18:56:51:

This is similiar to Vladimir Zak's insistence that his students only play "real openings."
 

I really would not know.  What I do know from having worked with many school-age children for the past 17 years is that play into open positions, with good emphasis on piece play and tactics, best facilitates their chess development.  There are many more important things to teach young players than chess openings - tactics is the main one - but at least the first five or six moves played well are the basis of a game that a kid could expect to learn something useful from, and to win.  And this does not include 1...g6.

So when the occasional dad or uncle teaches his kid to play the Sicilian, I tell them right away to cut it out.

On the other hand, I do not insist that players not develop the queen early, since that actually is a path to victory at the scholastic level.  While I do point out the risks of this policy, I figure that the best lessons are learned at the board.

I could talk about the theoretical basis of all this, but I have done so elsewhere, so I don't think I'll bother.

Finally I will observe that Yermolinsky when coached by Zak was already a vastly stronger player than most of the children that I have worked with, or that I would imagine Synder has worked with.
  

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Re: GM Repertoire 1 - 1.d4 volume one out in 3 weeks
Reply #1 - 04/07/09 at 07:33:06
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I'm a bit confused after 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 5. Nc3 e6 6. Nh4 Bg6 where Avrukh recommends 7. Be2. It seems to lose a tempo if Black plays dxc4 and allows Black to choose such tactics when they suit him. Secondly, g3 is sometimes a necessary move in these lines. Thus, Be2 appears committal because the bishop might want the long diagonal (but it does look like a pretty terrible diagonal at the moment). I can understand that White may not want to take on g6 because the bishop isn't going anywhere and the pressure on the h-file can be unpleasant, but why not start with other moves like Bd2 or Qb3. With a knight on c3, the dark squared bishop is unlikely to go to b2 and the attack on the b-pawn is always a bit annoying. Basically, I can't understand why Be2 is preferred. However, plenty of strong players favor Be2 so I'm sure it has some important advantages. Although, the only one I can find is that White gets to castle faster. On the other hand, shouldn't White delay castling until Black commits? After all, if White castles too early, Nxg6 is ineffective because Black just gets a lot of pressure against his king. Please help me.  Huh

Note: I think I've figured it out. It seems that Be2, allowing Black to "win" a tempo with dxc4 is always going to be an issue. Whether White starts with Bd2 or Qb3, he will eventually play the light squared bishop out to e2 so Black really doesn't gain any new options if White starts with Be2. Moreover, dxc4 seems to open the position for White's future bishop pair and isn't recommended too early. Hence, Be2 may in fact be the most flexible move. Although I'm still not sure because in the 7. Nxg6 lines White doesn't hurry to play Be2 (but he's no longer planning on K-side castling so it's understandable for other reasons).

BTW: Whether the repertoire is suitable or not for the majority of players under 2000, it will still help you understand chess better just going through it. In any case, the fact that Avrukh takes a serious approach and tries to find the truth in the position with plenty of deep analysis is precisely what makes this book special. If it were meant for 1500s, I probably wouldn't have been interested in it in the first place.
  
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04/06/09 at 18:56:51
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Antillian wrote on 04/06/09 at 13:08:30:
For a while there, I thought you were going to pull a IM John Cox style rant and denounce the "patronizing tosh". How dare some GM's suggest that I not play a particular line, or read a certain book?

I think you should  take it easy. These review provide general guidelines, that is all.


It was far from a rant, but an exploration, since I discussed some possible reasons for concern that masters might have.

What I think doesn't get expressed AT ALL, is the other side of the argument. 

For example, Robert Synder (Chess for Juniors was his outfit in Orange County, California...later he wrote a book by the same title...) used to tell his kids to only play 1...e5 against e4 and defend the Open Game. It didn't matter what the kids took pleasure in nor what their individual style could be. This is similiar to Vladimir Zak's insistence that his students only play "real openings." I recall Alex Yermolinsky writing about how when he came into the club with the news that he had beaten his first Master (I guess he was a Junior), everyone including Zak was interested in the game. Then Yermo, having played White, played over his first move on the board, 1.g3. Zak immediately scorned it and declared this wasn't real chess and left the table. You can guess what his pupil felt about that.

So you might be thinking, "Unfair attack." Wll I think the principle is the same: It's good to note Master advice, but you shouldn't let them determine what openings you play. Just wanted to express the other side of it...
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