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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #28 - 06/08/09 at 21:34:24
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Oh and on another note: I started playing 1...b6 not only because I like a lot of the positions that arise for black but also because I like its flexibility. The only thing I have never played it against is 1.g3.
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #27 - 05/31/09 at 20:00:14
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I actually purchased that book after I had played it for awhile. I actually first played 1...e6 and then only 2...b6 for awhile just to say maybe ill play a french and then switch it up! Its a little psychology that im sure most are not ready for. After all how many of us can relate to playing in a tournement and facing an opening we have never seen before? 

In my first published game when I was a very weak player that happened to me. I played 1.e4 and my opponent replied with 1...f5 the fred defense. Now I would take the pawn but back all those years ago I thought it was some gambit line which I was not prepared for!

  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #26 - 05/26/09 at 03:01:41
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I must admit I'm getting hooked, too.  1...b6 is great at getting out of book early and playing some creative chess.  I've started messing around with this and the English Defense.  They're a lot of fun and certainly different.  Black locks down on e4 and then goes hunting for weaknesses elsewhere...
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #25 - 05/20/09 at 00:44:56
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After reading through Bauer's 1...b6 book I've gained a lot of respect for the opening.

It's definitely something to have something concrete in mind against, but 4. Qe2 leaves white preferable.
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #24 - 05/19/09 at 18:29:02
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Well, as far as I can remember, 3.Bd3 f5? 4.exf5 Bxg2 5.Qh5+ g6 6.fxg6 Bg7 7.gxh7+ Kf8 8.Ne2! is considered winning for White (someone correct me if I'm wrong), and in that line, adding ...e6 even invites a pin on the h4-d8 diagonal. Looks like just another weakness to me, but I could be wrong.
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #23 - 05/10/09 at 23:36:29
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TN wrote on 05/09/09 at 01:13:49:
Isn't the variation with 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 e6 4.Qe2 just slightly better for White? 


Isn't 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 e6 4.Qe2 f5 an improved version of 1.e4 d6 2.d4 e6 3.c4 Bb7 4.Bd3 f5 ? Or is this a dumb question?
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #22 - 05/10/09 at 02:18:26
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TN wrote on 05/09/09 at 01:13:49:
Isn't the variation with 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 e6 4.Qe2 just slightly better for White? 

After 4.Qe2, the following variations all favour White: 4...Nf6 (4...d6 5.Nf3 Nd7 6.c4 is a favourable Hippo for White because of the extra space gained by c4) 5.Nf3 c5 (5...d5 6.e5 Nfd7 7.0-0 c5 8.c3 is an improved Advance French as Black doesn't have the usual counterplay with ...Qb6) 6.c3 Be7 (6...cd4 7.cd4 Bb4 8.Nbd2) 7.0-0 Nc6 8.e5(8.a3 Na5 9.Nbd2 is more common) 8...Nd5 9.dc5 bc5 10.Na3 and White has a stable plus.


Klaus Gawehns discussed 5.Nf3 on 13 pages in Kaissiber 30 (2008). 5...d5 (not 5...c5 because of 6.d5 +=) 6.e5 Nfd7, and here he analyzes 7.0-0, 7.Bg5, 7.Ng5 and 7.h4 in great detail. It is not simply an "improved Advance French".
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #21 - 05/10/09 at 01:49:39
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Yes it is. 

A similar approach versus Basman/Miles a6, b5 (owen deferred?!) also effective. See any recent decent repertoire book - maybe a Hennigan - Basman game iirc.
  
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Reply #20 - 05/09/09 at 01:13:49
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Isn't the variation with 1.e4 b6 2.d4 Bb7 3.Bd3 e6 4.Qe2 just slightly better for White? 

After 4.Qe2, the following variations all favour White: 4...Nf6 (4...d6 5.Nf3 Nd7 6.c4 is a favourable Hippo for White because of the extra space gained by c4) 5.Nf3 c5 (5...d5 6.e5 Nfd7 7.0-0 c5 8.c3 is an improved Advance French as Black doesn't have the usual counterplay with ...Qb6) 6.c3 Be7 (6...cd4 7.cd4 Bb4 8.Nbd2) 7.0-0 Nc6 8.e5(8.a3 Na5 9.Nbd2 is more common) 8...Nd5 9.dc5 bc5 10.Na3 and White has a stable plus.
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #19 - 05/06/09 at 23:10:31
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... and Bent Larsen.
  
What kind of proof is that?
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #18 - 05/06/09 at 08:27:55
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It's not a surprise that 1... b6 is not taken seriously because almost all players thinks that 1.b3 is dubious, exept a few one like Pavel Blatny ...
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #17 - 05/05/09 at 15:32:40
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Stefan Buecker wrote on 04/29/09 at 16:34:32:
Jormechea wrote on 04/29/09 at 16:30:03:
Another reason i like this opening i can play it against just about anything unless my opponent plays 1.g3. [...].

You could play 1.g3 b6 2.Bg2 Nc6 - where's the problem?


There is no problem this is just not the position I aim to play when playing 1.b6
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #16 - 05/02/09 at 17:40:31
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Markovich wrote on 04/28/09 at 15:00:29:
I first thought that I would move this to 1. e4..., but I checked and I can't find Owen's treated in the pdfs there.  Now I notice that it also isn't treated in the Flank Openings pdfs.  Can it be that Owen's Defense lacks a home on Chesspub?  What am I missing?



1.e4 b6 and 1.e4 Nc6 are both covered under the "Daring Defences" section.  Actually quite a few games are analyzed.
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #15 - 05/01/09 at 18:09:52
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You are right but a few fans of the Owen like to play against that 2.d3!?!? . In fact I don’t like to play as Black against any Kings Indian attack schemes, so I’m really fond of my little variation based on …Nh6!? and …f5!
  
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Re: 1...b6 can't take it seriously
Reply #14 - 05/01/09 at 18:00:14
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hiperburn wrote on 05/01/09 at 17:55:08:
There is nothing wrong with White’s set-up in the first 8 movies.  White's 2.d3!? leads to the Kings Indian attack which is played at highest level.

There is clearly something wrong! After 1.e4 b6 White has to take the centre and play 2.d4 as Black has no immediate counterattack with d5 as in the French - 1.e4 e6 2.d3!? is therefore a reasonable choice which may end in the same type of position - but I am sure after 1.e4 b6 2.d3?! White misses the point of the position - as your game clearly shows Black is allowed to follow different ideas. I think 2.d3?! gives Black equality just after two moves - that's not how White should play... - Ok, just my chess philosophy  Wink
  
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