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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #11 - 12/02/09 at 13:09:23
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Inspired by Watson's old monograph on this gambit and the closely-related 4.Nc3 versus the QGA, I played the Tolusch-Geller with 6.e5 and 7.a4 for quite some time, but I finally gave it up because I became convinced that White doesn't get quite enough compensation.  He may have just enough to draw, but big wup.  

Besides Vigorito's book there are others that treat this gambit in some detail.  It's given a good treatment by Donaldson and Silman in one of their old Slav books.  There is not much new in the main lines, because the big boys gave up on this gambit a long time ago.

Nowadays when I want to insist on gambit play against the Slav I play 6.Qc2, which is less theoretical and much more confusing to players of the black pieces.  I believe that Vigorito calls this the "Spassky Gambit" or something.  He calls it "feeble," but I'm not convinced.  A similar approach is 6.Be2.  Regardless of what the books say, it's not so easy for Black if White forgets about theory and simply plays chess a pawn down, with pawns on d4 and e4.  Relative to this approach, 6.e5 has the disadvantage of forcing Black to play theoretically best, but not very hard to remember, moves.

Either way White will score very well at the club level, but if you play in the Open section of your weekend Swiss event, I would recommend either 6.Qc2 or saving the Tolusch-Geller for a surprise weapon.  If you do the former, you should bone up on the Anti-Moscow Gambit, into which play very often transposes.  It might be worth looking also at Korchnoi's 5.Ne5 b5 6.g3, another interesting attempt for gambit-style play against the Slav.

Looking back I see that I have somewhat repeated myself, but since you bumped the thread, I was trying to help.  I mean, what do you expect, detailed analysis?
  

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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #10 - 12/02/09 at 03:46:46
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Bump. Anyone?
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #9 - 06/11/09 at 14:26:24
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miamisharks wrote on 06/07/09 at 02:38:08:
Sorry for my persistence! Surely some of you guys know something about this line. Are there any sources anyone can recommend?


Pert has a TWIC theory article. 

Personally, have looked long and hard at the Vitiugov-Amonatov game to find something for white. Failed. Back to 5. a4.
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #8 - 06/11/09 at 11:04:40
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Personally I think that 6.Qc2 is a good way for White to play this.  I've studied it and prepared a set of notes, and I will assert that White has sufficient comp, though I doubt that he has more.  But it's a good game of chess.  

The old main lines with 6.e5 are considered a little bit doubtful, the main point being that after 6...Nd5 7.a4 Nxc3 8.bxc3, Black has time for 8...e6!.  8...a6 would transpose into a QGA, 4.Nc3 gambit, which is much more dicey for Black.
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #7 - 06/10/09 at 10:28:45
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i love it as Black! Sharp positions and white has to risk everything to avoid a lost ending. You have to avoid a few things as black, but if you know it, it's lot of fun and my score is great after a couple of lost games at the beginning of my slav career. Look at the Vigus "Play the slav", it covers it pretty good.
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #6 - 06/07/09 at 11:56:52
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Yermolinsky presented some of his games with the Tolush/Geller in "The Road to Chess Improvement".

If you're going to play this as White you want to know about Vigorito's coverage in "The Main Line Slav", where he explains why he thinks Black is doing well. The main games he analyzes are Wojtkiewicz-Donaldson, Las Vegas 2001 and Vitiugov-Amonatov, TCh-RUS 2006. Vigus is a bit more detailed in his Black repertoire book "Play the Slav", but the recommendations and evaluations are broadly the same as Vigoritos.

There is also brief coverage of the Geller/Tolush in Flear's Starting Out: Slav and Semi-Slav; he too thinks Black is OK with unclear positions. The older Slav books by Burgess and Sadler and the CD by Rogozenko should also have some coverage, but I havent' seen them.
  

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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #5 - 06/07/09 at 03:58:27
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It seems that there hasn't been a NIC yearbook article on it in the last 19 years or more.  Pretty impressive.

For what it's worth, ECO (2004) has four columns (ending as unclear, with compensation, or equal) and 18 notes on it.  A few of the cited games are from the 2000s, though most appear to be from the 1980s or before.
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #4 - 06/07/09 at 02:38:08
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Sorry for my persistence! Surely some of you guys know something about this line. Are there any sources anyone can recommend?
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #3 - 06/01/09 at 04:36:44
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Thanks Smyslov fan.

Where did you study Geller/Korchnoi/Kasparov/Yermo games in this line? Books, or databases?
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #2 - 06/01/09 at 03:00:58
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Kasparov won a nice game against a computer using this variation, so it's still playable with proper caveats in place.

My own experience is that when I play it as White, I use it as a surprise weapon and score nearly 100% (I honestly don't recall a single serious game that I didn't win as white).  When I face it as Black, I lose occasionally, but usually only in faster time controls.   

I've studied it quite a bit, and recommend the games of, well, Geller, Korchnoi, Kasparov, and Yermolinsky.   

The books suggest that White doesn't have enough compensation for the pawn, and that most of the critical lines were worked out in the late 1980s. (Flear, Watson, and Burgess, separately).  However, It's still an excellent weapon for the odd occasion.  Again, I do not use it as my main weapon, but I do have it in my arsenal.
  
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Re: Tolush-Geller Gambit
Reply #1 - 06/01/09 at 02:50:21
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Ok, I'll try another angle. What do you Slav players find in your books against this line? How do you feel about the objective evaluation? Are all the books you use exclusively useful for black in this line, or do some of them recommend interesting ideas for white?
  
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Tolush-Geller Gambit
05/30/09 at 05:28:39
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Hi guys,

I'm interested in the Tolush-Geller gambit as white. 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 dxc4 5. e4!?. Yeah, I know it's theoretically suspect Smiley. What can you guys recommend in terms of resources?
  
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