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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #18 - 06/13/09 at 13:06:10
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TOP 10 KID practitioners:

1. Uhlmann: 451 games, succes ratio 53,54%
2. Vogt: 365 games, succes ratio 53,01%
3. Georgiev K: 365 games, succes ratio 52,32%
4. Gallagher: 357 games, succes ratio 59,66%
5. Gligoric: 327 games, succes ratio 57,18%
6. Hebden: 320 games, succes ratio 57,65%
7. Smirin: 294 games, succes ratio 57,65%
8. Westerinen: 275 games, succes ratio 53,63%
9. Kozul: 264 games, succes ratio 52,46%
10.Damljanovic: 247 games, succes ratio 55,06%


BEST OF THE BEST:


1.Kasparov: 146 games, succes ratio 63,35%
2.Fischer: 111 games, succes ratio 62,61%
3.Radjabov: 113 games, succes ratio 55,30%
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #17 - 06/12/09 at 14:23:16
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Top best 10 players from period 2000-2009 with the most KID games as Black, against opposition of Elo 2500++:

1. Radjabov: 99 games, success ratio 56,56%
2. Bologan: 86 games, success ratio 48,25%
3. Fedorov: 79 games, success ratio 41,77%
4. Smirin: 79 games, success ratio 52,53%
5. Kozul: 69 games, success ratio 39,13%
6. Socko: 69 games, success ratio 40,57%
7. Inarkiev: 66 games, success ratio 56,06%
8. Kempinski: 62 games, success ratio 42,74%
9. Kotronias: 62 games, success ratio 50%
10.Nataf: 61 games, success ratio 46,72%
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #16 - 06/12/09 at 13:41:42
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Notable practitioners of KID from year 2000 against the opposition of  Elo 2500++:


Acs Peter
Al Modiahki Mohamad
Amonatov Farrukh
Andreikin Dmitry
Apicella Manuel
Arencibia Rodriguez Walter
Areshchenko Alexnader
Arizmendi Martinez Julen Luis

Babula Vlastimil
Baklan Vladmir
Banikas Hristos
Becerra Rivero Julio
Bologan Viktor

Cebalo Miso
Cheparinov Ivan
Comas Fabrego Luis
Cvitan Ognjen
Czarnota Pawel

Damljanovic Branko
David Alberto
Degraeve Jean Marc
Dyachkov Sergej

Efimenko Zahar
Ehlvest Jaan
Fedorov Alexei

Gallagher Joe
Glek Igor
Golubev Mikhail
Grischuk Alexander
Guseinov Gadir

Hebden Mark
Hernandez Gilberto

Inarkiev Ernesto
Iuldachev Saidali
Ivanchuk Vassily
Ivanisevic Ivan

Jobava Baadur

Kasimdzhanov Rustam
Kempinski Robert
Khalifman Alexander
Kokarev Dmitry
Korotylev Alexey
Kotronias Vasilios
Kozul Zdenko
Kurnosov Igor

Loginov Valery

Maiwald Jens Uwe
Mamedov Rauf
Mamedyarov Shakhriyar
McShane Luke
Milov Vadim
Miroshnichenko Evgeny
Moreno Carnero Javier
Morozevich Alexander
Motylev Alexander
Movsesian Sergei

Nakamura Hikaru
Nataf Igor Alexandre
Nevednichy Vladislav
Nijboer Friso

Polgar Judit
Ponomariov Ruslan

Radjabov Teimour

Sasikiran Krishnan
Shchekachev Andrei
Shirov Alexei
Smirin Ilia
Socko Bartosz
Spasov Vasil
Stellwagen Daniel
Sutovsky Emil
Svidler Peter

Topalov Veselin

Vajda Levente
Volokitin Andrei

Xie Jun

Ye Jiangchuan

Zvjaginsev Vadim


Club of Elo 2700++:

Topalov Veselin
Morozevich Alexander
Ivanchuk Vassily
Svidler Peter
Mamedyarov Shakhriyar
Radjabov Teimour
Shirov Alexei
Ponomariov Ruslan
Polgar Judit
Babula Vlastimil
Grischuk Alexander



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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #15 - 06/11/09 at 07:24:12
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"Donner - Gligoric is a nice game."

Really good  Cool
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #14 - 06/10/09 at 18:31:03
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Donner - Gligoric is a nice game. I think Kasparov had the most crushing victory's and the most ideas, so My vote is for kasparov.

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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #13 - 06/09/09 at 01:51:58
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Markovich wrote on 06/09/09 at 01:29:28:
Yeah, that Piket-Kasparov game in 9.Ne1 was Black magic.


Fact. That game is something of legend. A lot of KID attacks that crash through are nothing these days, since their so normal and unimaginative. That one was truly something else!  Shocked
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #12 - 06/09/09 at 01:29:28
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Yeah, that Piket-Kasparov game in 9.Ne1 was Black magic.
  

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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #11 - 06/08/09 at 19:50:50
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rossia wrote on 06/01/09 at 18:47:14:
Dear friends and Mr. Golubev,

I'm recently working on KID as my new Black main line against 1d4 & c4.

I've built a database with 2000 commented games, but I would like to hear you all what do you think which games are must-to-analyze for Black player.

So I invite you all that you propose which games would fit into top 100, and also who are the very best ones on the Black side of THE KID  Cheesy


Not a simple question. 100 best games, from Black's viewpoint...

Best games by Kasparov (Piket-Kasparov; Karpov-Kasparov - Linares 1993, old game Lputian-Kasparov, Korchnoi-Kasparov 0-1 1991, Kavalek-Kasparov...) and Radjabov (e.g. 2007 wins over Shirov and Van Wely, incredible) must be there, that is for sure. Some 20 games from them, possibly?

Other famous games, such as:
Bagirov-Gufeld 0-1
Zita-Bronstein
Botvinnik-Tal (...Nf4)
Beliavsky-Nunn 0-1
Botvinnik-Smyslov 0-1 1954 & more recent games in the same line Smiley
Letelier-Fischer
Ivanchuk-Yusupov 0-1
Stein-Geller 0-1 1966 & Spassky-Fischer in the same line
Polugaevsky-Nezhmetdinov 0-1, even if it is not the KI, strictly speaking
etc............

Maybe I will try to make a wider list. But firstly I apologise to subscribers for delay with the May update; secondly I will have to prepare this update (within a few days), and only then...

Well, I do not know. Wink

If only one person is making such a list, it is very subjective.

I am not so sure that Krogius-Stein 1960 would be in my personal top 100 KID list (not necessarily), but it was in the published collection of the 100 best games ever (both colours - all openings!).

So, it makes much sense to check which KID games were included in the Informator contests for the best game, best novelty of each volume. In such a way you would spot majority of the best KI games of the last few decades.
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #10 - 06/05/09 at 14:46:58
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Nice game indeed.

Theory till 20++ move  Sad
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #9 - 06/04/09 at 18:54:02
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Gefand, Boris - Kantsler, Boris

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Ne8 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4 12. Bf2 h5 13. c5 g5 14. a4 Ng6 15. a5 Rf7 16. cxd6 Nxd6 17. Nd3 Bf6 18. Nc5 Nf8 19. Nb5 Rg7 20. a6 bxa6 21. Nxa6 g4 22. Nxa7 g3 23. Bc5 Bh3 24. gxh3 Qd7 25. Bd3 Qxh3 26. Qe2 Ng6 27. Qg2 Qd7 28. Nxc7 Nh4 29. Qe2 Qh3 30. Ne6 Ng2 31. Rfc1 Qxh2+ 32. Kf1 Qh1+ 33. Bg1 Nh4 34. Nxg7 Nxf3 0-1

  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #8 - 06/04/09 at 18:22:03
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TN wrote on 06/02/09 at 21:43:40:
Another great KID game was Gelfand-Kantsler, which I think occured in 2001. Kantsler's ...Bh3 idea was a stroke of genius.


My friend, I have Mega 2009 but mentioned game is not in it!

Can you post moves?
  
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #7 - 06/02/09 at 21:43:40
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Another great KID game was Gelfand-Kantsler, which I think occured in 2001. Kantsler's ...Bh3 idea was a stroke of genius. 

Hebden's games with the KID are also interesting to view, as he often finds interesting and less explored alternatives to the main lines, which would work very well against an unprepared opponent.
  

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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #6 - 06/02/09 at 14:35:48
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Tough choice, I would say Fischer or Kasparov. Of Course Geller was a great KI-Player, later he switched to the QG.
I would also add Isaac Boleslavsky to this list, he was one of the top Players in the 50s, lost the Final match for Chalanging Botwinnik only narrowly and is one of the finest KI-players around
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #5 - 06/02/09 at 11:25:38
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I voted for Kaparov as a player from today (i know his inactive) and Bronstein as a player from the begining of the KID (on the highest level).
  

[Event "CZE-ch"]&&[Site "Turnov"]&&[Date "1996"]&&[Round "10"]&&[White "Vokac,Marek"]&&[Black "Bazant,Petr Sr"]&&[Eco "A00"]&&1.b4 d5 2.Bb2 Nd7 3.Nf3 Ngf6 4.e3 g6 5.c4 dxc4 6.Bxc4 Bg7 7.Bxf7+&&1-0
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Re: Top 100 KID games
Reply #4 - 06/02/09 at 09:48:20
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TN wrote on 06/02/09 at 09:32:36:
Out of Radjabov KID games, I would recommend his games against Van Wely for how to handle the Bayonet - also study his losses as they are a good example of what to avoid as Black.

His last two games in this line against Van Wely arent particularly inspiring from a black point of view Wink
Incidentally Van Wely is always interesting when looking at the KID as he always comes up with ideas to crush it.

Anyway this one you shouldnt miss, a great game in the style of Bronstein and Boleslavsky:
[Event "Aeroflot Open"]
[Date "2008.02.22"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Alexander Evdokimov"]
[Black "Viktor Bologan"]
1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5
7. Be3 Nbd7 8. O-O Re8 9. Qc2 exd4 10. Nxd4 c6 11. Rad1 a6
12. Rfe1 Qc7 13. a3 b5 14. cxb5 cxb5 15. Qd2 Bb7 16. f3 d5
17. exd5 Nb6 18. Rc1 Qd7 19. Nb3 Nfxd5 20. Nc5 Qe7 21. Nxd5
Bxd5 22. Bf2 Qf6 23. b3 Qb2 24. Rc2 Qxa3 25. Rd1 Bf8 26. Bd4
Rad8 27. Ra1 Bxf3 28. Rxa3 Rxe2 29. Qd3 Rxd4 30. Qxd4 Rxc2
31. b4 Bd5 32. Nd3 Rxg2+ 33. Kf1 Nc4 34. Ne5 Rg5 35. Nxc4
Bxc4+ 36. Kf2 Rd5 37. Qb2 Bh6 38. Qb1 Rd2+ 39. Kg3 Bd5 40. Qf1
Bg7 41. Qf4 Rg2+ 42. Kh3 h6 43. Rg3 Rc2 44. Re3 Rc6 45. Kg3
Kh7 46. Qb8 Rc2 47. Rd3 Rg2+ 48. Kf4 Bc4 49. Rd6 Rb2 50. Rxa6
Rxb4 51. Qd6 Rb3 52. Ra3 Rb2 53. Ra8 Rxh2 54. Qd8 h5 55. Kg5
Rg2+ 56. Kf4 Rg4+ 57. Ke3 b4 0-1
  

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