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Reply #11 - 06/05/09 at 13:03:40
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Phil Adams wrote on 06/05/09 at 12:55:07:

No need to panic. It's just a another IQP line, that can arise from other openings such the QGA, as you point out. It's covered briefly by Watson in Dangerous Weapons. The position arising after 
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 cxd4 6. cxd4 dxe4 7. Nxe4 Bb4+ 8.Nc3 Nc6 9. Nf3 Nf6 10. O-O O-O 11. Bg5 Be7 has been seen many times, and it's pretty much just the usual IQP struggle.

Admittedly there are style issues here; players who choose 3...a6 have to be comfortable playing WITH the IQP and might therefore be les comfortable playing AGAINST it, but that's chess. I'm sure one gets to understand these positions better if one is prepared to play either side of the IQP (Baburin's book is great for this).

On a practical note, you won't have to face this very often in any case; it's actually very unusual for Tarrasch players to volunteer to play WITH an IQP - they mostly prefer by far to play against it!


Something that has piqued my interest is playing Qxd5 instead of taking the IQP in certain move orders, as white may end up in an inferior version of the 4...Qxd5 Tarrasch, where ...a6 is always useful anyway.

In fact, if black plays with Qxd5 in mind he can just as easily play 3...h6 (which has its pros and cons).

That IQP position doesn't particularly scare me anymore after closer examination, you're right. 

dom's improvement in the Universal for white may be the last thing that black needs to address, he seems fine elsewhere. Both 10.... Ncxe5/Ndxe5 need careful scrutiny.

I'm reasonably comfortable with 3...a6, and I'll probably start another thread examining 3...h6, which has its merits as well (the Universal System is particularly impotent in that variation, but it is also not as ambitious in some variations).
  

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #10 - 06/05/09 at 12:55:07
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/03/09 at 12:43:52:
I'll add for right now that I believe white's strongest continuation is not opting for the Universal System with 7. e5, but rather playing 7. 0-0.

The problem I'm having at this point is the position can transpose into a Semi-Tarrasch, Exchange Slav, QGA, and 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 Sicilian.

I have no idea what black should try to do in terms of plan. He's at a loss of a waiting move, as 7...Be7 would be very weak (then 8. e5! with a great Universal System, black's best would then be to play into the ...b5 positions, which are better for white).

So black should liquidate the center, but when he does, I don't see a path to equality for black.

So if any black players care to, the position I'm talking about occurs after:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. c3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0

Sample:

7...cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Be7 10. a3 0-0 (10...b5!? 11. Re1 += Abbasov-Jorgensen, Dos Hermanas 2004) 11. Be3 += (Short-Kiriakov, Port Erin 1999)


No need to panic. It's just a another IQP line, that can arise from other openings such the QGA, as you point out. It's covered briefly by Watson in Dangerous Weapons. The position arising after 
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 cxd4 6. cxd4 dxe4 7. Nxe4 Bb4+ 8.Nc3 Nc6 9. Nf3 Nf6 10. O-O O-O 11. Bg5 Be7 has been seen many times, and it's pretty much just the usual IQP struggle.

Admittedly there are style issues here; players who choose 3...a6 have to be comfortable playing WITH the IQP and might therefore be less comfortable playing AGAINST it, but that's chess. I'm sure one gets to understand these positions better if one is prepared to play either side of the IQP (Baburin's book is great for this).

On a practical note, you won't have to face this very often in any case; it's actually very unusual for Tarrasch players to volunteer to play WITH an IQP - they mostly prefer by far to play against it!
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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #9 - 06/04/09 at 01:31:41
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Stigma wrote on 06/03/09 at 19:16:02:
BPaulsen wrote on 06/03/09 at 12:43:52:
I'll add for right now that I believe white's strongest continuation is not opting for the Universal System with 7. e5, but rather playing 7. 0-0.

[...]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. c3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0

Sample:

7...cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Be7 10. a3 0-0 (10...b5!? 11. Re1 += Abbasov-Jorgensen, Dos Hermanas 2004) 11. Be3 += (Short-Kiriakov, Port Erin 1999)


I think either Psakhis or Pedersen in their Tarrasch books mentioned 4.c3 as interesting. Short and Plaskett have been notable exponents of it, often transposing to other IQP openings (the Colle should be mentioned).

I noticed some recent comments by Plaskett on the related 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3?! ("not good") 6...Nc6 7.0-0? dxe4 8.Nxe4 cxd4 9.cxd4 0-0 10.Nc3. "...this position is well known to theory - it's even been dubbed "The Isolated Queen's Pawn Position" - and may arise from a number of different openings, including the Panov-Botvinnik Attack and some queen's pawn systems. But in all of these it is White to move! Consequently 10.Ng3 or 10.Be3 might be tried here, but Black ought to be happy with the opening." - Plaskett in Starting Out: Attacking Play, pp. 60-61.

Plaskett obviously no longer believes in this treatment against 3...Be7. If he is right, the question becomes, how detrimental is ...a6 to Black's position? Btw. someone with more IQP knowledge than me should check if ...a6 really is a "free" move for Black compared to Panov-Botvinnik lines, as Plaskett's comment implies.


Right, white's approach doesn't work against 3...Be7, but it does against 3...a6.

However, white immediately gets a good Universal against 3...Be7, because the Be7 is actually misplaced in the 8...g5 positions.

...a6 is only useful if it helps ...b5, the problem is I can't make ...b5 work very well without giving up the c5 square. Black's light squared bishop really struggles to make itself useful.

Normally we reach that position mentioned with white to move, and black not  having ...a6 in. So is ...a6 helpful, or harmful?

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #8 - 06/03/09 at 19:16:02
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/03/09 at 12:43:52:
I'll add for right now that I believe white's strongest continuation is not opting for the Universal System with 7. e5, but rather playing 7. 0-0.

[...]

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. c3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0

Sample:

7...cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Be7 10. a3 0-0 (10...b5!? 11. Re1 += Abbasov-Jorgensen, Dos Hermanas 2004) 11. Be3 += (Short-Kiriakov, Port Erin 1999)


I think either Psakhis or Pedersen in their Tarrasch books mentioned 4.c3 as interesting. Short and Plaskett have been notable exponents of it, often transposing to other IQP openings (the Colle should be mentioned).

I noticed some recent comments by Plaskett on the related 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Be7 4.Ngf3 Nf6 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3?! ("not good") 6...Nc6 7.0-0? dxe4 8.Nxe4 cxd4 9.cxd4 0-0 10.Nc3. "...this position is well known to theory - it's even been dubbed "The Isolated Queen's Pawn Position" - and may arise from a number of different openings, including the Panov-Botvinnik Attack and some queen's pawn systems. But in all of these it is White to move! Consequently 10.Ng3 or 10.Be3 might be tried here, but Black ought to be happy with the opening." - Plaskett in Starting Out: Attacking Play, pp. 60-61.

Plaskett obviously no longer believes in this treatment against 3...Be7. If he is right, the question becomes, how detrimental is ...a6 to Black's position? Btw. someone with more IQP knowledge than me should check if ...a6 really is a "free" move for Black compared to Panov-Botvinnik lines, as Plaskett's comment implies.
  

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #7 - 06/03/09 at 16:48:47
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@Phil Adams: thanks for games and ideas for Black in the line (always useful to know experienced player point of view)  Cool
  

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Reply #6 - 06/03/09 at 12:43:52
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I'll add for right now that I believe white's strongest continuation is not opting for the Universal System with 7. e5, but rather playing 7. 0-0.

The problem I'm having at this point is the position can transpose into a Semi-Tarrasch, Exchange Slav, QGA, and 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 Sicilian.

I have no idea what black should try to do in terms of plan. He's at a loss of a waiting move, as 7...Be7 would be very weak (then 8. e5! with a great Universal System, black's best would then be to play into the ...b5 positions, which are better for white).

So black should liquidate the center, but when he does, I don't see a path to equality for black.

So if any black players care to, the position I'm talking about occurs after:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. c3 c5 5. Bd3 Nc6 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0

Sample:

7...cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 9. Nxe4 Be7 10. a3 0-0 (10...b5!? 11. Re1 += Abbasov-Jorgensen, Dos Hermanas 2004) 11. Be3 += (Short-Kiriakov, Port Erin 1999)
  

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #5 - 06/03/09 at 11:54:28
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/02/09 at 03:30:26:
There hasn't been much discussion on this forum of this continuation, so let's see what's going on...

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 and now white has four main options. A quick examination of each (note that whenever white plays Ngf3 at some point in the move order without central exchanges ...Nf6 follows immediately):

4. e5 Bd7!? 5. Ndf3 (5. Ngf3 Bb5) Bb5 6. Bxb5 axb5 7. Ne2 Nd7 8. Qd3 c6 

4. c3 c5 5. exd5 exd5 6. Ngf3 Nc6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nb3 Bb6

4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 (5. exd5 Qxd5!) 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0 cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 (8...Be7!?)

4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Bd3 c5 7. c3 Nc6 8. 0-0 g5

What do players of the Tarrasch prefer when confronted with 3...a6? Any black advocates on here?


A few years ago when I used to play "serious" correspondence chess (mainly in BCCA events) my main black weapons against 1 e4 were the MacCutcheon against 3 Nc3 and 3...a6 against 3 Nd2. I scored very well with the former (possibly because many of the positions are hard for computers to understand!) but most of my games with the latter ended in draws.

My general aim in playing 3...a6 was to try to reach IQP positions with a full set of minor pieces and my king's knight on its best square - f6. Alternatively I intended to gain space with c5-c4 and b7-b5, as suggested in Shereshevsky's wonderful "Soviet Chess Conveyor".

I still believe 3...a6 is fully playable. It has an excellent pedigree and the statistics certainly speak in its favour - there are over 2200 games in Megabase, with Black scoring a healthy 48%.

Watson's "Dangerous Weapons - the French" supplies many new ways of handling 3...a6 for Black which I wish I had been aware of before - I might have had more decisive games with it.

I've attached my games. My only win was against the strong corres player Keith McLaughlin, and I'm still quite pleased with it. Cheesy It is an example of the competing pawn majorities that can arise from many openings and that used to be assessed as clearly in White's favour: White: queenside majority 3-2 vs Black: kingside majority 4-3; nowadays we know it depends on the specifics, and Black's extra centre pawn can often give him the edge.
  

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #4 - 06/03/09 at 06:56:52
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dom wrote on 06/03/09 at 06:31:28:
@BPaulsen: OK...I add some variations from my data. what I think best lines for White.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 a6!?  (search on forum for Kalle99 posts about Kiriakov playing the line)

A) 4.Bd3! 
A2) 4...c5 5.dxc5 Bxc5 (5...Nf6 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.Ngf3 (7.e5 Nfd7 and Nxc5= to follow) Bxc5 8.e5 Nd7 9.Nb3 and White has
an excellent d4-blockade game ) 6.Ngf3 Nc6 (delay Nf6 or Nge7; 6...dxe4 7.Nxe4 wins tempo attacking c5 bishop) 7.oo Nge7 (7...Nf6 8.e5 Nfd7 9.Nb3 Be7 10.Re1 +=
or 7...Nb4 8.Be2 Nf6 9.e5 Nd7 10.Nb3 Be7 11.Re1 Qc7 12.c3 Nc6 13.Bf4 +=) 8.c3 oo 9.Re1! novelty of game 
"Speelman-Schussler,Salonique 1988"  9...Ng6 10.exd5 exd5 (10...Qxd5 11.Nb3 Ba7 12.Bxg6! hxg6 13.Qxd5 exd5 14.Be3 +=)
11.Nb3 Be7 12.h3 Bf6 13.Be3 Re8! +=


Thanks for the contribution dom! You're the French guy around here, so it's great to have your input.

4. Bd3 c5 5. dxc5 Bxc5 6. Ngf3 Nc6 7. 0-0 Nf6 8. e5 Ng4! (not the weaker 8...Nd7?!) as in Cherniaev - Legky, Russia 1995, or Schott-Legky, Metz 1994.

That's the fly in the ointment as far as the 5. dxc5 continuation is concerned. 8...Ng4 is very strong, and I'm confident black is fully equal afterwards.

Switching tracks to the Universal:

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. Bd3 c5 6. c3 Nc6 7. e5 Nd7 8. 0-0 (Obviously other move orders are entirely possible, black just needs to make sure he doesn't play ...Nf6 before white plays Ngf3) g5! (8...b5 is +=) 9. dxc5! g4 10. Nd4 Ndxe5 11. N2b3!

I wish I still had my friend's DW:The French borrowed, as Watson improved upon black's play from Adams-Legky, France 2001.

Maybe someone that has the book can contribute the improvement. I don't recall 11...Nxd3 being black's best, as you cite in your analysis.
  

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Reply #3 - 06/03/09 at 06:31:28
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@BPaulsen: OK...I add some variations from my data. what I think best lines for White.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 a6!?  (search on forum for Kalle99 posts about Kiriakov playing the line)

A) 4.Bd3! 

A1) 4...Nf6 5.e5 Nfd7 6.Ngf3 c5 7.c3 Nc6 8.oo (8.a3 g5! and not 8...Qb6 transposing to "Rozentalis-Legky,Capelle 2002"
where Rozentalis played for an improved Korchnoi gambit with a3-a6 inserted) g5 (8..Be7 9.a3!?   
"Rendle-Karlsson,Gibraltar 2008" (chesspublishing february 2008) ; 8...Qb6 9.a3 ; 8...b5 9.dxc5 Ndxe5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Nb3! Nxd3 12.Qxd3 Be7   
and a solid grip on dark squares. For example: 13.Qg3 oo 14.Bh6 Bf6 15.Bf4 where White threatens Bc7 and can play Rfe1
to build an attack) 9.dxc5! g4 10.Nd4 Ndxe5!?  (10...Ncxe5 "Wells-Jones,Herefors 2006" 11.Bc2 Bxc5 12.f4 gxf3ep 13.Nxf3 Ng4
14.Bf4 e5!? 15.Re1) 11.N2b3! Nxd3 12.Qxd3 e5 13.Nxc6 bxc6 14.Qg3 Qc7 15.Qh4 (Dom) the idea is to deny Black kingside 
castle, because 15...Bg7 16.Bh6 oo? 17.Bxg7 Kxg7 18.Qg5+ Kh8 19.Qf6+ Kg8 20.f3 and Black cannot afford opening f line for a rook)


A2) 4...c5 5.dxc5 Bxc5 (5...Nf6 6.Qe2 Nc6 7.Ngf3 (7.e5 Nfd7 and Nxc5= to follow) Bxc5 8.e5 Nd7 9.Nb3 and White has
an excellent d4-blockade game ) 6.Ngf3 Nc6 (delay Nf6 or Nge7; 6...dxe4 7.Nxe4 wins tempo attacking c5 bishop) 7.oo Nge7 (7...Nf6 8.e5 Nfd7 9.Nb3 Be7 10.Re1 +=
or 7...Nb4 8.Be2 Nf6 9.e5 Nd7 10.Nb3 Be7 11.Re1 Qc7 12.c3 Nc6 13.Bf4 +=) 8.c3 oo 9.Re1! novelty of game 
"Speelman-Schussler,Salonique 1988"  9...Ng6 10.exd5 exd5 (10...Qxd5 11.Nb3 Ba7 12.Bxg6! hxg6 13.Qxd5 exd5 14.Be3 +=)
11.Nb3 Be7 12.h3 Bf6 13.Be3 Re8! +=


B) 4.Ngf3 c5 5.dxc5 (5.Bd3 c4) Nf6 (5...Bxc5 transposes to A2) "A Zapata vs S Peric, 2002"  6.Bd3 dxe4=


C) 4.c3 c5 5.Ngf3 Nc6 6.Bd3 Nf6 7.e5 (7.exd5 exd5 8.oo cxd4= good game for Black because no isolated pawn for Black) Nd7
8.oo g5 see A1)

Black cannot avoid to play Nge7 in isolated pawn position in the c5-main line:  3...c5 4.exd5 exd5 (or the Mariotti line
4...Qxd5 which is the other main line) 5.Bb5+ Nc6 6.Ngf3 Bd6 7.dxc5 Bxc5 8.oo Ne7 hence the system with a6.
  

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Re: 3. Nd2 a6
Reply #2 - 06/02/09 at 20:02:06
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dom wrote on 06/02/09 at 11:03:29:
I will look this evening at home if I can search more information from my data...

Because line is one valid system for Black I can only argue White need only some good theorical preparation.

First sub-line, with the slow Bd7-Bb5 is one of off-beat line, great postional players will like....if I were White, I will not try 4.e5, because you can have space advantage and no good bishop if Black succeed echanging "bad" bishop....but if your like Wade variation for White (advance without a6) maybe you can try it.

Second sub-line is typical of isolated pawn game. You can play it either side with success.

Third/four  sub-line....play 7.e5 in third subline to transpose and play universal system closed variation with tempo less (a6)  for Black. Maybe 9.dxc5 (d4 blockade stategy) is valid.


9. dxc5 is no doubt interesting, but it is likely that ...a6 is more useful to black than analagous ...Be7 (since Bxc5 can be played in one go, in addition to the bishop possibly putting itself on the long diagonal). Watson makes a compelling case for the black side in "Dangerous Weapons: The French".

Third line concerns me most for black, white white preferring to keep tension in the center and simply 0-0. It may be better for black to simply deviate earlier in line #3.

Black can transpose into a line from the 1. e4 c5 2. c3 d5 Sicilian Defense in line #3 by playing an earlier cxd4/dxe4/Bb4+. I don't know how good the line is for black, however. It seems to score alright.
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I will look this evening at home if I can search more information from my data...

Because line is one valid system for Black I can only argue White need only some good theorical preparation.

First sub-line, with the slow Bd7-Bb5 is one of off-beat line, great postional players will like....if I were White, I will not try 4.e5, because you can have space advantage and no good bishop if Black succeed echanging "bad" bishop....but if your like Wade variation for White (advance without a6) maybe you can try it.

Second sub-line is typical of isolated pawn game. You can play it either side with success.

Third/four  sub-line....play 7.e5 in third subline to transpose and play universal system closed variation with tempo less (a6)  for Black. Maybe 9.dxc5 (d4 blockade stategy) is valid.


  

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There hasn't been much discussion on this forum of this continuation, so let's see what's going on...

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 a6 and now white has four main options. A quick examination of each (note that whenever white plays Ngf3 at some point in the move order without central exchanges ...Nf6 follows immediately):

4. e5 Bd7!? 5. Ndf3 (5. Ngf3 Bb5) Bb5 6. Bxb5 axb5 7. Ne2 Nd7 8. Qd3 c6 

4. c3 c5 5. exd5 exd5 6. Ngf3 Nc6 7. dxc5 Bxc5 8. Nb3 Bb6

4. Bd3 c5 5. c3 Nc6 (5. exd5 Qxd5!) 6. Ngf3 Nf6 7. 0-0 cxd4 8. cxd4 dxe4 (8...Be7!?)

4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. e5 Nfd7 6. Bd3 c5 7. c3 Nc6 8. 0-0 g5

What do players of the Tarrasch prefer when confronted with 3...a6? Any black advocates on here?
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