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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #151 - 01/04/10 at 16:03:19
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Blackburne wrote on 01/03/10 at 23:49:11:
I picked up Sverre's book, and I have a few others -- Aagaard's book, Simon Williams's book on the Classical, an old Batsford book by Bellin, a little booklet by Schiller, and a few books on the Leningrad for good measure. I'm not looking at this for myself (I played the Stonewall many, many years ago, but I'm happy with what I currently use against 1.d4), but I am coaching a young student who has taken to the Dutch. We're talking about a 1500-ish player, not a master or (likely) a potential master, but a kid who works hard at chess and is willing to read or watch what I recommend. So ...

What other good Dutch resources are there out there? My student plays Stonewall and sometimes Classical or Dutch-Indian lines. Are there any good videos that would actually be useful for an amateur who just wants to beat the 1800 players?


Most important is that he plays a lot and analyses the games afterwards, especially the losses. There are plenty of tricky lines for white vs 1...f5 and most books and all videos tend to dismiss these much too easily.

Btw, a 1500-1800 player should spend most time on training tactics and going thru well commented games - focusing on opening theory without having the strength/understanding to form his own opinion sounds like it will backfire sooner or later...
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #150 - 01/04/10 at 15:31:34
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A recent book is Dangerous Weapons: The Dutch
http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Dangerous_Weapons%3A_The_Dutch%3ADazzle...

From the same publisher there is Starting Out: The Dutch Defence, Neil McDonald 
http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Starting_Out%3A_The_Dutch_Defence
  
What kind of proof is that?
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #149 - 01/03/10 at 23:49:11
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I picked up Sverre's book, and I have a few others -- Aagaard's book, Simon Williams's book on the Classical, an old Batsford book by Bellin, a little booklet by Schiller, and a few books on the Leningrad for good measure. I'm not looking at this for myself (I played the Stonewall many, many years ago, but I'm happy with what I currently use against 1.d4), but I am coaching a young student who has taken to the Dutch. We're talking about a 1500-ish player, not a master or (likely) a potential master, but a kid who works hard at chess and is willing to read or watch what I recommend. So ...

What other good Dutch resources are there out there? My student plays Stonewall and sometimes Classical or Dutch-Indian lines. Are there any good videos that would actually be useful for an amateur who just wants to beat the 1800 players?
  
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Reply #148 - 12/31/09 at 19:05:29
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HoemberChess wrote on 11/30/09 at 08:19:56:
I wonder whether the book has this position,
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 e6 3.c4 c6 
(= 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c6)
or recommends another move-order for Black.

(I miss an index of variations.)


No, it´s not in the book. It´s just a 1.d4 f5 book, despite some games inside started with other mover orders. And, as a plus, you get some ideas about how to play against 1.Nf3 and 1.c4 
I copypaste the book´s index from Silman´s webpage:


Lesson 1 7.b3: Introduction   

Lesson 2 The Critical 7.b3 Qe7 8.Ne5! 

Lesson 3 7.Qc2, 7.Nc3 and Rare 7th Moves 

Lesson 4 7.Bf4    

Lesson 5 Lines with a Delayed Bf4    

Lesson 6 Early Deviations 

Lesson 7 4.c4 with Nh3    

Lesson 8 2.c4: Non-Fianchetto Lines   

Lesson 9 2.Nf3: Non-Fianchetto Lines   

Lesson 10 2.Nc3 and 2 Bg5 

Lesson 11 The Staunton Gambit and and Rare 2nd Moves 

Lesson 12 1.c4, 1.Nf3 and 1.g3 

  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #147 - 12/06/09 at 13:42:58
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I switched to the Stonewall some time ago since it had the kind of exciting bloodletting that a low level player like myself enjoys. The imbalance was much more fun than the Nimzo-Queens I was trying to learn. The only reason I settled on the Stonewall (rather than the Leningrad, or Classical) was Neil McDonald's caveat[i] that the Stonewall pawn structure was a key to all of them and not to be neglected [see his excellent ---at my level--Starting Out: The Dutch Defence ). I have this new book and it is sympathetically and engagingly written---with interesting lead in quotations from chess greats, philosophers, etc. and useful hints at how to digest the material. I use such texts mainly to learn a bit and marvel at the GM games and not as a systematic tool as a high caliber player would but it has kept my interest and proved rewarding. It was nice to see some familiar positions and aporia apparently I had noodled through or stumbled upon some actual lines.
  
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Reply #146 - 11/30/09 at 08:19:56
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I wonder whether the book has this position,
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 e6 3.c4 c6 
(= 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 c6)
or recommends another move-order for Black.

(I miss an index of variations.)
  
as
*W 1d4) Torre/Barry/Pirc/Philidor/ early _d5:early c4(QGD/Slav/QGD/etc)
*B) 1e4:e6 [+1_c5 2Nf3 a6]| 1d4:e6 2c4 Bb4+ BID/pseudoNID [+1_Nf6 NID]| 1c4:c5,_Nc6,_e5,_g6| 1Nf3:c5
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #145 - 11/24/09 at 06:34:12
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Ametanoitos wrote on 11/23/09 at 12:10:51:
Looking again all the lines we discussed with Brabo with the help of the new chess engine Robbolito (which seems to be 50 points higher rated than Rybka) evaluates 1. d4, f5 2. g3, Nf6 3. Bg2, e6 4. Nf3, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9.Nxe4 dxe4 10.Bg5 Be7 as completely equal!

I read on the forum of Rybka that Rajlich claims Robbolito is a clone of Rybka 3. Further I also read on wikipedia that some testers don't see any improvement of strength compared with Rybka 3.
Finally I recommend you to reread my posts then you will quickly see that I already treated this line in a post of June 29th of 2009. 
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #144 - 11/23/09 at 12:10:51
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Looking again all the lines we discussed with Brabo with the help of the new chess engine Robbolito (which seems to be 50 points higher rated than Rybka) evaluates 1. d4, f5 2. g3, Nf6 3. Bg2, e6 4. Nf3, d5 5. 0-0, Bd6 6. c4, c6 7. Nc3, 0-0 8. Qc2 Ne4 9.Nxe4 dxe4 10.Bg5 Be7 as completely equal!
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #143 - 11/07/09 at 10:50:00
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brabo can you plse post a summary of your valuable analysis as a pgn file?
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #142 - 10/31/09 at 02:15:15
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Markovich wrote on 10/26/09 at 20:13:00:
LeeRoth wrote on 10/26/09 at 20:00:35:
saubhikr wrote on 10/26/09 at 02:20:12:
I am planning to pick up a new defense against d4 to match up my French against e4. Nimzo/Markovich3 is getting too demanding. I like the closed structure.

Is this the right book to start? Is stonewell solid enough to be the primary/only response to 1.d4?


Yes, this is the right book.  I've only just received it, but so far I am favorably impressed.

Yes, the Stonewall is good enough to be your primary response to 1.d4.


Yes, particularly if you're a French player and respond to 1.d4 with 1...e6, which saves you the trouble of preparing for a number of not-so-innocuous early alternatives in White's armory.  I hate saying that though, because I loathe the Stonewall Dutch from either side.


Markovich,
I followed some of your past suggestions and it always turned out well. I am going to give it a try.....
Thanks
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #141 - 10/26/09 at 21:49:14
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Kramnikaze wrote on 10/16/09 at 00:22:29:
First of all, let me say: fantastic book ! After every lesson a sum-up and some exercise is really great.
And you really get the feeling for the Stonewall.

But i have a question about a move-order:

A) You have the Fianchetto lines. You will know where to place the pieces( ofcourse it's the Stonewall set-up)

B) Lesson 8 is about the non-Fianchetto lines.
About the move order: 1.d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 Bb4!
The book says that results in this line are great for black, a kind of Nimzo-position with Nf3 and f5 included.
The book goes further with 5. Qb3, 5. Bd2 and 5. Bg5


But right here i have a question about: 5.g3!?
With this move-order we are back in Fianchetto lines, but where black played Bb4 and not the Stone-wall set-up.
There is no mention of 5.g3( maybe because it's outside the scope of the book?) but there are some games played in this line.
The funny thing is, f.e. 2 games played by Agdestein:
Ivanchuk- Agdestein 1-0 1993 and Ivanchuk-Agdestein 1-0 1993 rapid.

I really would like to know what the safest way is of playing, and where to focus on in this line. Has this line a name ?
Many thanks!


After

1.d4 e6 2. c4 f5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Nf3 Bb4! 5. g3

black can play 5... Bxc3! 6. bxc3 d6 and then normal is 7. Bg2 0-0 8. 0-0 Nc6 going for e5. If d5 then Na5 etc.

This is known as an equal and comfortable line. Could also be a pretty good patzer killer, playing against weak pawns.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #140 - 10/26/09 at 20:13:00
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LeeRoth wrote on 10/26/09 at 20:00:35:
saubhikr wrote on 10/26/09 at 02:20:12:
I am planning to pick up a new defense against d4 to match up my French against e4. Nimzo/LeeRoth7 is getting too demanding. I like the closed structure.

Is this the right book to start? Is stonewell solid enough to be the primary/only response to 1.d4?


Yes, this is the right book.  I've only just received it, but so far I am favorably impressed.

Yes, the Stonewall is good enough to be your primary response to 1.d4.


Yes, particularly if you're a French player and respond to 1.d4 with 1...e6, which saves you the trouble of preparing for a number of not-so-innocuous early alternatives in White's armory.  I hate saying that though, because I loathe the Stonewall Dutch from either side.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #139 - 10/26/09 at 20:00:35
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saubhikr wrote on 10/26/09 at 02:20:12:
I am planning to pick up a new defense against d4 to match up my French against e4. Nimzo/saubhikr9 is getting too demanding. I like the closed structure.

Is this the right book to start? Is stonewell solid enough to be the primary/only response to 1.d4?


Yes, this is the right book.  I've only just received it, but so far I am favorably impressed.

Yes, the Stonewall is good enough to be your primary response to 1.d4.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #138 - 10/26/09 at 05:00:39
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saubhikr wrote on 10/26/09 at 02:20:12:
I am planning to pick up a new defense against d4 to match up my French against e4. Nimzo/saubhikr10 is getting too demanding. I like the closed structure.

Is this the right book to start? Is stonewell solid enough to be the primary/only response to 1.d4?


I don't own this book, but I gather from the widely positive reviews of this book that it would be perfect for any player interested in this opening. You can play the Stonewall as your only defence to 1.d4 (I assume this automatically includes all of White's deviations, including those where a Stonewall is no longer respectable), but you have to decide which move order you will use. However, I assume the move order issues (e.g. Marshall Gambit, 4.Qc2 of all the Anti-Dutch lines) is all covered in 'Win with the Stonewall Dutch'.
  
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Re: New book - Win with the Stonewall Dutch
Reply #137 - 10/26/09 at 02:20:12
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I am planning to pick up a new defense against d4 to match up my French against e4. Nimzo/QID is getting too demanding. I like the closed structure.

Is this the right book to start? Is stonewell solid enough to be the primary/only response to 1.d4?
  
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