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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #15 - 07/06/09 at 03:08:33
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/20/09 at 22:05:59:
And by dead I mean the old Korchnoi favorite: 1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4 12. Bf2 g5 13. a4

It's possibly the most brash attempt at refuting the KID outright that exists outside of the 4 Pawns Attack.

Black has numerous tries that have been attempted here, but if I remember correctly 13...a5 was given the best stamp of approval by the best GMs to face it, so...

13...a5 14. Nd3 b6 15. b4 axb4 16. Nxb4 Nf6 17. Nd3 h5 18. Nb5

A game that got absolutely no press, but in my opinion seems fairly important in that white's idea looked good, continued:

18...Ng6 19. Qe1!? g4 20. a5 (Guisenov-Golubev, Aeroflot Open-B 2006)

Black has other options including 18...g4, and 18...Bd7, but the Qe1 idea may be possible against both - an idea that had always been neglected in favor of the slower, and definitely ineffective Be1. The white Q is more effective on a5 than the bishop would ever be. It also slows down an ...h4 thrust by black as can be seen in the game.

[Event "Moscow Aeroflot op-B"]
[Site "Moscow"]
[Date "2006.02.07"]
[Round "9"]
[White "Guseinov,Elmir"]
[Black "Golubev,Mikhail"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Eco "E99"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.Be2 0-0 6.Nf3 e5 7.0-0 Nc6 8.d5 Ne7 
9.Ne1 Nd7 10.Be3 f5 11.f3 f4 12.Bf2 g5 13.a4 a5 14.Nd3 b6 15.b4 axb4 16.Nxb4 Nf6 
17.Nd3 h5 18.Nb5 Ng6 19.Qe1 g4 20.a5 h4 21.Bxh4 Nxh4 22.Qxh4 Rxa5 23.Nb4 Rxb5 24.cxb5 g3 
25.Rfc1 gxh2+ 26.Kh1 Rf7 27.Ra8 Bf8 28.Qg5+ Kh8 29.Qg6 Rg7 30.Rxc8 Qxc8 31.Qxf6 Be7 32.Qh6+ Rh7 
33.Qe6 Qb8 34.Na6  1-0

I quit playing this a long time ago due to 13...a5, but this definitely caught my eye.


'No press', not really, it was certainly published somewhere, possibly in Informator? But, my 23rd move was disastrous, really terrible, such game does not deserve much press.

The last possibility to deviate was:
23... Bd7 with the following basic ideas: 24.Nc6 Bxc6 25. dxc6 Qa8 26. Nxc7 (26. Rxa5 bxa5 27. c5 Qxc6 28. Bc4+ d5 29. exd5 Qxc5+) 26... Qxc6 27. Ne6 Re8 (E.Guseinov) 28. Nxg7 Kxg7 29. fxg4 Nxe4 as we looked with my opponent, it did not seem that clear, 

maybe now, with new Rybkas it will look differently?

also there are deviations for Black on the 20th, 21st, 22nd move
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #14 - 06/24/09 at 16:39:37
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I haven't seen the update. Unfortunately when I started subscribing to ChessPub I wasn't into the KID as much as I am now. All that said, maybe 26. Nc7 is an idea, although on the surface Black looks completely fine. Black has to play 26...Rxc7 27. Rxc7 Qxc7 28. gxh5 Qg7 29. Bf3 and now it's unclear what Black should play. Probably 29...Be7, when 30. Kh1 Nxf3 31. Qxf3 Bd7 leaves White losing back his extra pawn, since something like 32. b3 Qg5 will see the h-pawn hang eventually. Maybe someone who gets the updates could give us a synopsis. I don't feel like I'm qualified to comment and give improvements on a game played by these giants!  Huh

Engines quite like a similar move, namely 26. Nd1. Then 26...Bxg4 27. Bxg4 Rxg4 28. Qh3 Qg5 29. Nc7 Rc8 30. Kh1! is good for White.
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #13 - 06/24/09 at 16:17:25
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TonyRo wrote on 06/24/09 at 16:12:05:
I see nothing wrong with Black's position after this move. I think Black is absolutely fine after 26...Bxg4 27. Bxg4 Rxg4 28. Qh3 Qg5 29. Bxh4 Rxh4 30. Qe6+ Kh8. The big mistake was 32...Qb6+. After that Cheparinov is busted. 32...Qe8! and he's fine, since next move is ...Qg6 with a nice game.


The update preview on chesspub called Ivanchuk's follow-up an inaccuracy - namely 26. Nh1. 

Is there anything better? The preview mentions 26...Bxg4 as being an improvement over what was actually played, but I'm curious as to why 26. Nh1 was called inaccurate.
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #12 - 06/24/09 at 16:12:05
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I see nothing wrong with Black's position after this move. I think Black is absolutely fine after 26...Bxg4 27. Bxg4 Rxg4 28. Qh3 Qg5 29. Bxh4 Rxh4 30. Qe6+ Kh8. The big mistake was 32...Qb6+. After that Cheparinov is busted. 32...Qe8! and he's fine, since next move is ...Qg6 with a nice game.
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #11 - 06/24/09 at 00:46:32
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Looks like your novelty holds up well. I can't see any way for white to improve.

It's a good thing I don't actually play this variation as white.  Grin 

From a recent game, what're your thoughts after the novelty 25. hxg4! (Ivanchuk-Cheparinov, M-Tel Masters 2008)

 [Event "M-Tel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia BUL"]
[Date "2008.05.11"]
[EventDate "2008.05.08"]
[Round "4"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Vassily Ivanchuk"]
[Black "Ivan Cheparinov"]
[ECO "E98"]
[WhiteElo "2740"]
[BlackElo "2696"]
[PlyCount "79"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. Nf3 O-O 6. Be2 e5
7. O-O Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Nd3 f5 11. Bd2 Nf6 12. f3
f4 13. c5 g5 14. Rc1 Ng6 15. cxd6 cxd6 16. Nb5 Rf7 17. Qc2 Ne8
18. Nf2 h5 19. a4 Bf8 20. h3 Rg7 21. Qb3 Nh4 22. Rc2 g4
23. fxg4 Nf6 24. Be1 hxg4 25. hxg4 Nh5 26. Nh1 f3 27. Bxf3 Nf4
28. Ng3 Bxg4 29. Bxg4 Rxg4 30. Nc7 Rc8 31. Ne6 Rxc2 32. Qxc2
Qb6+ 33. Kh1 Nhxg2 34. Nf5 Qa6 35. Rg1 Qd3 36. Qxd3 Nxd3
37. Bh4 Rxe4 38. Rxg2+ Kf7 39. Nxd6+ Bxd6 40. Ng5+ 1-0

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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #10 - 06/24/09 at 00:22:40
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22. Bd3? Nxf5! 23. exf5 Qh3! 24. Kf2 e4-+

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For what it's worth, engines think Black is better even after White's best, 22. Rc4!?, since 22...Bxf5 23. exf5 Nxf5 24. Rxf5 Qxf5 25. Ng2 Qd7!
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #9 - 06/23/09 at 22:30:53
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TonyRo wrote on 06/23/09 at 12:44:14:
I haven't sufficiently worked on 21. Kh1, so I'm not so sure yet. That said, in your line, after 22. Qd3, Black has 22...Nxe4! 23. Qxe4 Nf5!, when the attack certainly is not over yet!  Grin

PS - 22...Bxf5 23. exf5 e4! is also quite strong. ACTIVITY!  Wink


22. Bd3!? Bxf5 24. exf5 e4 25. Rc2!? 

22. Bd3!? Nxe4 24. Bxe4 Bxf5 (24...Nxf5 25. Qd3) 25. Qd3

White has a number of ways to defend the e4 pawn, I can't figure out which one is best. This is one of those times having access to an engine would be nice.  Grin
  
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Reply #8 - 06/23/09 at 12:44:14
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I haven't sufficiently worked on 21. Kh1, so I'm not so sure yet. That said, in your line, after 22. Qd3, Black has 22...Nxe4! 23. Qxe4 Nf5!, when the attack certainly is not over yet!  Grin

PS - 22...Bxf5 23. exf5 e4! is also quite strong. ACTIVITY!  Wink
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #7 - 06/22/09 at 22:40:23
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What's your verdict on the 21. Kh1 position?

Also, in your novelty, what happens if white plays the immediate 20. f4 instead of Nxc7?

20...g4 looks forced otherwise white has fxg5 coming, and white then plays 21. f5! Nxh4 (21...Nxe4 22. Bxg4 wins the  black Q) 22. Qd3, the attack is finished, and white has Nxc7 coming. I really like white's position here.

This line could be critical to 13...Rf6 altogether, since if black has to play ...a6 to prevent Nb5 then it is known to be a variation that is += anyway.
 
Which would force black to play 13...Ng6, which isn't as good against 14. c5 as you know.
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Reply #6 - 06/22/09 at 16:29:54
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I found some of my old notes on this line, and here's what I came up with after reviewing those for a while: 

17...Ng6 looks more natural to me, so I focused on this move, and after 18. g4! fxg3 19. Bxg3 I thought the move 19...Nf6!?N looked like an interesting try at improving. Black brings the c8-bishop and d7-knight closer to the battle, and gives White a free move to try to not lose immediately. I thought that 20. Nxc7, 20. cxd6, and 20. Nd3 all looked like good candidates. 

20. Nxc7 is critical of course. Now 20...gxh4! is the idea, and White has 3 choices: 


21. Bf2? Nf4 (threatening ...Nxe4) 22. Bb5 (22. Bc4 is also possible, btu the variations will look incredibly similar) Rg6+ 23. Kh1 (23. Kh2 Rg3! 24. Bxg3 hxg3+ 25. Kxg3 Qg5+ 26. Kf2 Bh6!-+) Bf5!! and I couldn't find a move that defends for White here, for instance, 24. Be3 Nxe4! 25. Nxa8 Ng3+ 26. Kh2 Bd7!-+ with the idea of ...Qf5-h3. 


21. Bh2? Qg5+ 22. Kf2 Nf4 and now: 

     23. Nd3 Nxe4+! 24. fxe4 Nxd3+ 25. Qxd3 Rf6+ 26. Ke1 Qxc1+-+

     23. Bc4 Nxe4+-+

     23. Bb5 Bg4!!-+


21. f4! looks like White's best chance. I found it funny and ironic that White's best defensive tries ( 17. h4, 18. g4, and 21. f4!) involve pushing all three pawns in front of his king! Now 21...Ng4! 22. Bh2 (seems forced) Nxf4 23. Bxf4 Qg6! 24. Nxa8 exf4!? (24...Ne3+ 25. Kh2 Nxd1 26. Rg1! Qxe4 27. Bxh6 Qxe2+ 28. Rg2 Nf2 29. cxd6 Bd7 is most likely a draw by perpetual) 25. Kh1! Ne3 26. Qd2 (26. Qd3 Qg3! 27. Rf3 Qg5 28. cxd6 Bd7! 29. e5 Nf5! 30. Bf1 h3 31. Rf2 Rg6 32. Nf3 Qg3 -+) Nxf1 27. Bxf1 Qxe4+ 28. Bg2 Qf5 29. Qe2 f3! 30. Nxf3 h3 31. Bf1 Rf6 32. cxd6 Bd7 33. Nc7 Qxf3+ 34. Qxf3 Rxf3 is a pretty unclear ending.

Any improvements are welcome here...I left out some moves just for brevity and readability. Hopefully you enjoy it and find it interesting. I will look at 20. Nd3 and 19...Nf4 eventually as well.         


PS - Some other conclusions: 

1) After 17...Ng6 18. g4 fxg3 19. Bxg3 Nf4 20. Nxc7 Rg6, 21. Bxf4 looks like a blunder on account of 21...gxf4+ 22. Ng2 Bf6-+, so 21. Kh1! definitely looks best. 

2) After 17...gxh4 18. Nxc7 h3 19. g4 fxg3 20. Bxg3 h2+ 21. Kh1 Qg3 22. Bf2 Rb8, Black just looks busted after 23. Ne6. I can't find anything here.
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #5 - 06/22/09 at 14:32:25
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Yes! I'm very familiar with this one. I started working on this position a while back since I had a friend that habitually played 13. Rc1. He played 14. c5, but I always thought that if I ever started beating him up too badly in that line after 14...Nxc5, he'd switch to 14. b4 and I'd be ready. Let me delve into it and get back to you after a little bit.  Grin
  
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Re: Resurrecting the Dead
Reply #4 - 06/22/09 at 07:34:15
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TonyRo wrote on 06/21/09 at 21:28:42:
After a little glance this morning I also thought that 20. Nb5 looked good, and that Black wasn't out of the woods yet. I couldn't find anything better than 20...h5, but remembered thinking that I wasn't happy about this. Maybe somebody could prove me wrong!  Grin


Hey TonyRo, since you like digging into some deep KID lines maybe you'll have fun with this crazy one.

1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. d4 0-0 6. Be2 e5 7. 0-0 Nc6 8. d5 Ne7 9. Ne1 Nd7 10. Be3 f5 11. f3 f4 12. Bf2 g5 13. Rc1 Rf6 14. b4 Rh6 15. c5 Qe8 16. Nb5!? Qh5 17. h4

This is looked at briefly in Gallagher's "Play the King's Indian", and it is a complete mess. You seem good with these sorts of positions, but this is way beyond my abilities. 

Apparently both 17...Ng6 and 17...gxh4 are playable, and the critical variations for each are:

17...Ng6 18. g4 fxg3 19. Bxg3 Nf4 20. Nxc7 Rg6 and white's best is either 21. Bxf4 or 21. Kh1

17...gxh4 18. Nxc7 h3 19. g4 fxg3 20. Bxg3 h2+!? 21. Kh1 Qh3 22. Bf2 Rb8

Maybe you can come up with a verdict on this absolute chaos.  Shocked
  
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After a little glance this morning I also thought that 20. Nb5 looked good, and that Black wasn't out of the woods yet. I couldn't find anything better than 20...h5, but remembered thinking that I wasn't happy about this. Maybe somebody could prove me wrong!  Grin
  
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Reply #2 - 06/21/09 at 21:02:09
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Fllg wrote on 06/21/09 at 12:53:56:
It might better to refrain from an early ...h5 because after white plays Nb5, ...g4 may be possible without further preparation. Bologan in his new book on the King´s Indian gives the game Gladyszev-Stets, Chambery 2007 in which 17.Nd3 Ng6 18.Be1 Rf7 19.Nf2 followed. He suggests 19...Bf8 leading to equality.


I don't like the Be1 idea, it rarely works.

I'm guessing Bologan gives 18. Nb5 g4 from what you've written.

19. Qe1 would be met well by 19...gxf3 when the exchange sacrifice with 20. gxh3 isn't convincing, and 20. Bxf3 Ng4! looks plenty okay for black.
  
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Reply #1 - 06/21/09 at 12:53:56
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It might better to refrain from an early ...h5 because after white plays Nb5, ...g4 may be possible without further preparation. Bologan in his new book on the King´s Indian gives the game Gladyszev-Stets, Chambery 2007 in which 17.Nd3 Ng6 18.Be1 Rf7 19.Nf2 followed. He suggests 19...Bf8 leading to equality.
  
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