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Re: Keres Attack; Movsessian
Reply #19 - 08/12/09 at 03:43:52
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Markovich wrote on 07/11/09 at 00:30:27:
However 11...Qxh4 is a possible improvement on Gashimov - Riff, for instance 12.Qf3 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 Qe2+ 14.Be2 Qb4+ 15.Bc3 Qc5 16.0-0-0 Be6.  Or 12.Nb5 Qe7 13.Qxd5 Be6 14.Qe4 a6.  Both the lines given have been played.


Maybe 12.Qe2 Be7 13.0-0-0 0-0 14.Nf3 Qf6 (14..Bxg4!?) 15.g5 hxg5 16.Bxg5 Qf5  17.Bxe7 Re8 18.Qd2 Rxe7 19.Rg3 Ne5 20.Nxe5 Qxe5 as played in Timmerman-Van Wely, Ned Ch 1993.  Here, Timmerman chose 21.Re3 and traded rooks, but perhaps 21.Bd3 with the idea of doubling on the g-file and/or Qh6.
  
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Re: Keres Attack; Movsessian
Reply #18 - 08/10/09 at 02:09:23
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I promote this thread just because I think nobody noticed my idea, which may be important.
  

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Re: Keres Attack; Movsessian
Reply #17 - 08/07/09 at 01:11:57
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Markovich wrote on 07/12/09 at 22:00:20:
kylemeister wrote on 07/11/09 at 01:07:34:
Markovich wrote on 07/11/09 at 00:30:27:
kylemeister wrote on 07/10/09 at 16:40:19:
Regarding Gashimov-Riff, I've had the impression that 10...Qxd5 is the main move there.

In my data base, it's played slightly more than 10...exd5, but it scores significantly worse.  White is 71% after 11.Bg2 in 37 games. Looking at the position, Black seems to be falling dangerously behind in activity.  10...exd5 looks much more like chess to me.

However 11...Qxh4 is a possible improvement on Gashimov - Riff, for instance 12.Qf3 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 Qe2+ 14.Be2 Qb4+ 15.Bc3 Qc5 16.0-0-0 Be6.  Or 12.Nb5 Qe7 13.Qxd5 Be6 14.Qe4 a6.  Both the lines given have been played.


Hmm.  A question could be, after 11...Qxh4 12. Bb5, does Black have anything better than 12...Bd7, which would transpose to a line which last I was aware seemed a little better for White, as in a game Ashley-Salov.    


You may be right.  Ashley - Salov was drawn, of course, and I think that Black might have improved by playing 18...Qe4 instead of 18...a6.  I am sorry, I don't seem to be able to get the whole game into the paste buffer, but 12...Bd7 13.Qe2 Nxd4 14.Bxd4+ Qe7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ke3 Rd8 17.O-O-O Kc8 18.Qf3.


Lately I also noticed 12...Qh2, which may be adequate.
  

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Reply #16 - 07/26/09 at 00:12:20
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I wonder what (if anything) Kasparov had to say regarding Markovich's line B in his Karpov book of last year.  In their first match Kasparov met 9. gh Nxh5 10. Bg5 with 10...Nf6, which seems to be regarded more highly than 10...Qb6 by most sources I've seen.
  
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Reply #15 - 07/13/09 at 13:35:31
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After 7..Be7 8.Qf3, if Black isn't happy with 8..Nc6, he can play 8..h5!?
  
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Reply #14 - 07/13/09 at 12:21:44
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kylemeister wrote on 07/12/09 at 22:54:50:
By the way, another of these maybe-slightly-better-for-White endgamish lines is 7...Be7 8.Qf3 (instead of 8. Rg1) Nc6 9.Nxc6 bxc6 10.g5 Nd7 11.gxh6 gxh6 12.Bd2 Bxh4 13.0-0-0 Qe7 14.Qf4 Bf6 15.Rxh6 Bb7 16.Rxh8+ Bxh8 17.Qg3 0-0-0 (White doesn't have anything -- Pritchett) 18.Bg5 Bf6 19.Bxf6 Nxf6 20.e5 dxe5 21.Rxd8+ Qxd8 22.Qxe5 (with a favorable ending for White -- Gavrikov) Nd7 (Black will soon solidify his position and equalize the game -- Silman).


Yeah, that's the line recommended in Experts vs the Sicilian.  I looked at it and it didn't seem utterly terrifying.

@Zatara: Thanks, I'll look at that.
  

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Reply #13 - 07/13/09 at 04:43:34
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Check out Kotronias vs Ftacnik 2008 olympiad
  
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Reply #12 - 07/13/09 at 03:37:03
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Ftacnik allows the Keres Attack.
  
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Reply #11 - 07/12/09 at 22:54:50
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By the way, another of these maybe-slightly-better-for-White endgamish lines is 7...Be7 8.Qf3 (instead of 8. Rg1) Nc6 9.Nxc6 bxc6 10.g5 Nd7 11.gxh6 gxh6 12.Bd2 Bxh4 13.0-0-0 Qe7 14.Qf4 Bf6 15.Rxh6 Bb7 16.Rxh8+ Bxh8 17.Qg3 0-0-0 (White doesn't have anything -- Pritchett) 18.Bg5 Bf6 19.Bxf6 Nxf6 20.e5 dxe5 21.Rxd8+ Qxd8 22.Qxe5 (with a favorable ending for White -- Gavrikov) Nd7 (Black will soon solidify his position and equalize the game -- Silman).
  
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Re: Keres Attack; Movsessian
Reply #10 - 07/12/09 at 22:00:20
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kylemeister wrote on 07/11/09 at 01:07:34:
Markovich wrote on 07/11/09 at 00:30:27:
kylemeister wrote on 07/10/09 at 16:40:19:
Regarding Gashimov-Riff, I've had the impression that 10...Qxd5 is the main move there.

In my data base, it's played slightly more than 10...exd5, but it scores significantly worse.  White is 71% after 11.Bg2 in 37 games. Looking at the position, Black seems to be falling dangerously behind in activity.  10...exd5 looks much more like chess to me.

However 11...Qxh4 is a possible improvement on Gashimov - Riff, for instance 12.Qf3 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 Qe2+ 14.Be2 Qb4+ 15.Bc3 Qc5 16.0-0-0 Be6.  Or 12.Nb5 Qe7 13.Qxd5 Be6 14.Qe4 a6.  Both the lines given have been played.


Hmm.  A question could be, after 11...Qxh4 12. Bb5, does Black have anything better than 12...Bd7, which would transpose to a line which last I was aware seemed a little better for White, as in a game Ashley-Salov.    


You may be right.  Ashley - Salov was drawn, of course, and I think that Black might have improved by playing 18...Qe4 instead of 18...a6.  I am sorry, I don't seem to be able to get the whole game into the paste buffer, but 12...Bd7 13.Qe2 Nxd4 14.Bxd4+ Qe7 15.Bxd7 Kxd7 16.Ke3 Rd8 17.O-O-O Kc8 18.Qf3.
  

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Re: Keres Attack; Movsessian
Reply #9 - 07/12/09 at 16:10:03
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kylemeister wrote on 07/11/09 at 23:46:22:
Regarding (3), one thing I've come across which seems += and annoying for Black (and not mentioned/skirted over in most sources I've seen) is the way White played in Rasik-Jansa 1992:  9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxd5 Qxd5 (alleged to be better than 10...ed by Yermolinsky and others) 11.Bg2 Qc4 12.Be3 Bd7 13.Qe2 Qxe2+ 14.Kxe2 Nc6 15.Nxc6 Bxc6 16.Bxc6+ bxc6 17.Bd4 0-0 18.h5.  


Yes, I agree that putting the Bishop on the long diagonal is more challenging than the Bb5 check.  But I don't see where Black has much to worry about in this line.  Even if you consider the position after 17.Bd4 to be +/=, it doesn't seem to mean that much, as it's likely to be a draw in any event.  E.g., 17..f6 18.h5 Kf7 19.Rad1 Rhd8 20.Rd3 e5 as in Lamaroux-A.Sokolov, Cannes Op 1998.

BTW, if Black wants to try for more in this line, he has the risky 12..Qb4+.  I tried this once, and after something like 13.c3 Qxb2 14.Qc1 Qxc1 15.Rxc1 a6 16.Rb1 Nd7 thought I was going to get squashed, but, if memory serves, it worked out ok in the end.   Wink
  
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Reply #8 - 07/12/09 at 10:27:34
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Markovich wrote on 07/10/09 at 12:44:31:
So I am interested in the Scheveningen in its pure form, currently being upheld by Movsesian.  Naturally, I'm concerned about the Keres Attack.  In reply to 6.g4 I am only willing to consider 6...h6, also Movsesian's choice, after which the most critical is 7.h4.  

Black has three principal methods of defending:

(1) 7...Nc6 8.Rg1 d5

(2) 7...Nc6 8.Rg1 h5

(3) 7...Be7 8.Rg1 d5

Well, I've looked at them all at some length, and I'll be hanged if I can find anything for Black that doesn't leave him in notable difficulty. The biggest problem is king safety: White's king is relatively safe after 0-0-0, while Black's is never safe anywhere.  For instance, in (3) the critical continuation is 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Bb5+! Kf8 11.Nxd5 Qxd5 and not only is Black's king under the weather, but his KR is out of the game for a long time.

I understand that this merely restates a conclusion already reached by many other people. But then why the heck is Movsesian upholding the Scheveningen, and why the heck isn't anyone challenging him with 7.h4?  What I'm saying is, I've tried and failed to guess what he has up his sleeve.


Sometimes the "fear of improvement syndrome" discourages opponents from taking on a specialist - it often feels like you are walking into a trap or at least giving him home advantage.

For instance it takes a brave man to play the Keres against Nisipeanu, since you are likely to have to face the very sharp and still unclear 6...e5!?, with Sveshnikov themes.

That doesn't solve Black's problem though. There was once a time when the Scheveningen was considerably less theoretical than the Najdorf, and could be played based on an understanding of a few themes and move order issues. No longer: 6 g4 is just one of many Scheveningen labyrinths, where extensive and precise knowledge is required - and even then there is no clear path to an even game.

In practice, specialists (even Movsesian) tend to vary their move order. 1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 e6 3 d4 exd4 4 Nxd4 Nc6 5 Nc3 d6 is the most popular alternative for Scheveningen players (those who are unwilling to use the Najdorf move order) when 6 g4 is still pretty strong but requires less (and less precise) theoretical knowledge for Black to handle it.

Finally, if you know you are going to be playing a sharp player who studies theory and relies on the Keres Attack against the Scheveningen, it might pay to play some more nebulous ...e6 system such as the Kan, or one of those ...Qb6 systems - or even avoid the Sicilian altogether and try to bore them to death with something really solid!  Wink
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Reply #7 - 07/11/09 at 23:46:22
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Regarding (3), one thing I've come across which seems += and annoying for Black (and not mentioned/skirted over in most sources I've seen) is the way White played in Rasik-Jansa 1992:  9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxd5 Qxd5 (alleged to be better than 10...ed by Yermolinsky and others) 11.Bg2 Qc4 12.Be3 Bd7 13.Qe2 Qxe2+ 14.Kxe2 Nc6 15.Nxc6 Bxc6 16.Bxc6+ bxc6 17.Bd4 0-0 18.h5.  
  
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Reply #6 - 07/11/09 at 23:20:37
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Markovich's (3) is Pritchett's recommendation for Black in his Starting Out book.  Might be the way to go as Black. 




  
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Reply #5 - 07/11/09 at 01:07:34
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Markovich wrote on 07/11/09 at 00:30:27:
kylemeister wrote on 07/10/09 at 16:40:19:
Regarding Gashimov-Riff, I've had the impression that 10...Qxd5 is the main move there.

In my data base, it's played slightly more than 10...exd5, but it scores significantly worse.  White is 71% after 11.Bg2 in 37 games. Looking at the position, Black seems to be falling dangerously behind in activity.  10...exd5 looks much more like chess to me.

However 11...Qxh4 is a possible improvement on Gashimov - Riff, for instance 12.Qf3 Nxd4 13.Bxd4 Qe2+ 14.Be2 Qb4+ 15.Bc3 Qc5 16.0-0-0 Be6.  Or 12.Nb5 Qe7 13.Qxd5 Be6 14.Qe4 a6.  Both the lines given have been played.


Hmm.  A question could be, after 11...Qxh4 12. Bb5, does Black have anything better than 12...Bd7, which would transpose to a line which last I was aware seemed a little better for White, as in a game Ashley-Salov.    
  
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