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Question: Among all lines in Spanish the Modern/Deffered Steinitz is:

passive but with less theory

14 (19.2%)

solid but not a play for win

13 (17.8%)

active (specify why)

5 (6.8%)

recommended (specify why)

5 (6.8%)

not recommneded (write why)

8 (11.0%)

cuts down a load of theory

16 (21.9%)

White has an edge (where)

12 (16.4%)

Total votes: 73

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #71 - 02/28/11 at 10:26:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/28/11 at 08:42:11: If I was just after information I could just open a database. Evaluations, explanations and analyses are also information. You usually won't find them in a database. So this argument is not valid.

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Jonathan Tait God Member Offline Posts: 617 Location: Nottingham Joined: 07/11/06	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #70 - 02/28/11 at 08:42:11	Post Tools	Print Post
	clickclick wrote on 02/28/11 at 06:33:07: Reading some comments here, I understand his reputation is not great, but because I have never seen any of Taylor's previous works, I have to at least give him the benefit of the doubt. I like his books. Not all his lines always stand up, but he always gives his own slant on things, his own ideas — which is what I want from an author. If I was just after information I could just open a database.

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clickclick Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 57 Joined: 10/06/10	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #69 - 02/28/11 at 06:33:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	I think (if I remember correctly) Dzindzichashvili also made a similar video for chess.com. After seeing the video, I didn't really know what to think, but 'great' is quite a far way from it. Like previous posters I am also quite eager to see what Taylor has to offer regarding his 'bc exchange Ruy' variation. Reading some comments here, I understand his reputation is not great, but because I have never seen any of Taylor's previous works, I have to at least give him the benefit of the doubt.


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dragos YaBB Newbies Offline 1.e4 is best met by the Sicillian Sveshnikov Posts: 13 Location: Montréal Joined: 02/26/11 Gender:	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #68 - 02/27/11 at 15:05:00	Post Tools	Print Post
	slay the dragon is a title of a dvd of Roman Dzin(sorry i don t know the rest of hi name) and is a great dvd buy it if you wan to kill the dragon but please stay in the ruy lopez territory. I would recoomend to play the Gajewski variation against the lopez if you want to kill it


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Roger Williamson Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 114 Joined: 09/26/08 Gender:	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #67 - 02/26/11 at 18:40:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks!


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #66 - 02/26/11 at 13:49:28	Post Tools	Print Post
	Roger Williamson wrote on 02/25/11 at 20:09:25: Seeing from the extracts that Taylor advocates playing 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. BxN bc as black, and yet still finds space to cover the mainline with 4... dc 5. 0-0 f6, I suspect that the old maxim of things that seem too good to be true being exactly that probably applies. And yet it is this approach; contrarian lines promoted by the patter that is Taylor's irritating writing style; that makes this book exert a strange pull on me... Give me the strength to resist this book on the same grounds on which it is being sold. Save your money and if this defense interests you, check out your other sources and your database.

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Roger Williamson Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 114 Joined: 09/26/08 Gender:	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #65 - 02/25/11 at 20:09:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	Seeing from the extracts that Taylor advocates playing 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. BxN bc as black, and yet still finds space to cover the mainline with 4... dc 5. 0-0 f6, I suspect that the old maxim of things that seem too good to be true being exactly that probably applies. And yet it is this approach; contrarian lines promoted by the patter that is Taylor's irritating writing style; that makes this book exert a strange pull on me... Give me the strength to resist this book on the same grounds on which it is being sold.


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #64 - 02/24/11 at 19:41:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	Looking at some bits of the book, I got a whiff of bias (yeah, I know, unheard-of in repertoire books). I'm accustomed to seeing 5. c3 Bd7 6. d4 Nge7 7. 0-0 Ng6 8. d5 considered as leading to a slight advantage for White, and that seems plausible to me. Taylor thinks Black can equalize, but doesn't mention some things given in Tibor Karolyi's article on this line in the Yearbook a few years ago, for example.


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Uhohspaghettio God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 515 Joined: 02/23/11	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #63 - 02/24/11 at 19:18:09	Post Tools	Print Post
	Wouldn't "Slay the Dragon" be a far better name for a book? This way: 1) the title (while still outrageous) isn't obviously complete bs from the beginning. 2) A Dragon is an actual creature that you can slay. And "slay" is like old English, the type of language you might find in books concerned with dragons. As for this book, how about: "Slightly Improve Your Defence Against The Spanish"?


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NeverGiveUp Full Member Offline Never despair in a lost position Posts: 221 Joined: 11/18/09	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #62 - 02/22/11 at 10:47:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	The original proposed title "Sleigh ride in Spain" didn't do because of the climate change


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Matemax God Member Offline Chesspub gives you strength! Posts: 1302 Joined: 11/04/07	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #61 - 02/22/11 at 09:34:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/22/11 at 09:28:58: MNb wrote on 02/21/11 at 23:19:17: Which is why I distrust all opening books titled like that. But the marketing department likes hyperbole in the titles. What can you do? Obviously a typo - "Slow the Spanish" was the intented title


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Jonathan Tait God Member Offline Posts: 617 Location: Nottingham Joined: 07/11/06	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #60 - 02/22/11 at 09:28:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 02/21/11 at 23:19:17: Which is why I distrust all opening books titled like that. But the marketing department likes hyperbole in the titles. What can you do?

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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #59 - 02/21/11 at 23:19:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	NeverGiveUp wrote on 02/21/11 at 16:12:43: (Keres was one of the greatest giants of all times on opening theory) I disagree, at least partly. His work on the Open Games, especially on the Danish, Göring, Scottish and King's Gambit (see his books written for East German Sportverlag Berlin) is seriously flawed, even for their time. It might be different for the Ruy Lopez though; that's something I don't know. NeverGiveUp wrote on 02/21/11 at 09:03:08: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 h5 7.Bc6:+!? bc6: 8.d4 Bf3:! 9.Qf3: ed4: 10.Rd1 Qf6 MNb wrote on 02/21/11 at 10:46:05: A razor sharp line to slay the Spanish indeed. Jonathan Tait wrote on 02/21/11 at 19:44:25: or to put it another way: it's difficult for Black to slay anything when White basically plays for a draw. Which is why I distrust all opening books titled like that.

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Jonathan Tait God Member Offline Posts: 617 Location: Nottingham Joined: 07/11/06	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #58 - 02/21/11 at 19:51:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich wrote on 02/18/11 at 14:13:28: Also the 5.Bxc6+ line leaves Black with a slight disadvantage and no counterplay, if I'm not mistaken. White has nothing in that line. One might even say "less than nothing", since in Chapter 11 Taylor is proposing playing the same position for Black a tempo down; i.e. 4 Bxc6 bxc6 etc.

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Jonathan Tait God Member Offline Posts: 617 Location: Nottingham Joined: 07/11/06	Re: Slay the Spanish! Reply #57 - 02/21/11 at 19:44:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	MNb wrote on 02/21/11 at 10:46:05: NeverGiveUp wrote on 02/21/11 at 09:03:08: 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.0-0 Bg4 6.h3 h5 7.Bc6:+!? bc6: 8.d4 Bf3:! 9.Qf3: ed4: 10.Rd1 Qf6 A razor sharp line to slay the Spanish indeed. or to put it another way: it's difficult for Black to slay anything when White basically plays for a draw.

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