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Reply #134 - 02/06/10 at 15:29:16
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Interesting ... I haven't seen Bogdanov's book yet so don't know what the idea is.

But meanwhile I've been looking at 9 ...Bf5. Nice game by Paddy. OK, so maybe 10 Nf3 Bg4!? is the test but b4 for White will have taken two moves -- a main idea I guess? -- and is it clear the QR belongs on c1? So this too looks v. interesting to me!
  
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Reply #133 - 02/06/10 at 15:20:18
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I am glad you mentioned the 9...a5 line which looks playable. The variation (game) mentioned in Bogdanov's book is interesting. I like his "developing the rook without moving it".

As far as I recall, the move 9...a5 got a "bad a rate" after a rapid game between Leko and Ivanchuk a few years ago. It was annoted here, I think by John Watson.

But the idea mentioned in Bogdanov appears to give 9...a5 a reasonable rate for an alternative move
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #132 - 02/06/10 at 14:57:16
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lg wrote on 02/05/10 at 17:25:39:
Michael Ayton wrote on 02/05/10 at 16:01:45:
Have to say that was my feeling as well. Put it this way, I'm much keener to play through Paddy's recently posted game than to play through this one ...

me too

The whole concept with f5 in the Voronezh looks like a "reasonable practical attempt" at best. That said the game in the update has a very instructive ending showing the power of the bishop pair...I still think the answer (if there is one) is 9...e5. Bogdanovs line after 9...a5 actually looks more viable to me than the f5-stuff.
  
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Reply #131 - 02/05/10 at 17:25:39
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Michael Ayton wrote on 02/05/10 at 16:01:45:
Have to say that was my feeling as well. Put it this way, I'm much keener to play through Paddy's recently posted game than to play through this one ...

me too
  
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Have to say that was my feeling as well. Put it this way, I'm much keener to play through Paddy's recently posted game than to play through this one ...
  
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Reply #129 - 02/05/10 at 14:28:37
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lg wrote on 02/05/10 at 12:03:29:
As far as I see Neil McDonald's recommends this move together with f5 and makes a reference to the
Leninegrad Dutch and to the fact that he is writing a book on it


Crafty how he managed to get that plug in  Wink 
In seriousness though, that line with ....f5 always looked extremely dodgy to me, as far as I can remember White has no need to play f4 and can just develop simply also, when Black is hard-pressed to justify all his weaknessess.
  
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Reply #128 - 02/05/10 at 12:13:57
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Yes that's right. I've no idea myself how good this plan is -- I was just drawing attention to it for anyone interested who hadn't seen it.
  
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As far as I see Neil McDonald's recommends this move together with f5 and makes a reference to the
Leninegrad Dutch and to the fact that he is writing a book on it
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #126 - 02/05/10 at 11:43:39
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[quote author=2B282224450 link=1250652709/124#124 date=1265323908][quote]
Incidentally, the new 1 e4 ... update has some interesting stuff on the Voronezh ...[/quote]

Now that was interesting. 9...Nc6 was more or less labeled as inferior ("?!") by Davies, Cox, and Bogdanov and now McDonald is suggesting it as a viable option. I'm reminded of Tartakower: "Dubious, therefore playable!"
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #125 - 02/04/10 at 23:11:06
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[quote author=2B282224450 link=1250652709/124#124 date=1265323908]

Incidentally, the new 1 e4 ... update has some interesting stuff on the Voronezh ...[/quote]

It seems unfair that white can get away with all those moves on the queenside just to clear the diagonal and kick the knight when it emerges on c6, but chess isn't always a "fair" game :-)

Nevertheless, it always seemed to me that if there was a good answer to the Voronezh, it probably involved f5 just because white is so far behind in development on the kingside. I looked at that Milliet-Mirzoev game when it appeared in TWIC a couple of weeks ago. Food for thought - though far from conclusive because it must be pointed out that black was over 200 points higher rated than white.
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #124 - 02/04/10 at 22:51:48
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[quote]Our one tentative analytical conclusion so far is unfortunately negative: Marin seems to be wrong, in his ChessBase Magazine article, that 8...O-O is viable in the critical 7.Ng5 variation of Alburt's Variation. [/quote]

Has the reason for this been posted on the forum, or can it be? (I might have missed it in the welter of Alekhine stuff!)

Incidentally, the new 1 e4 ... update has some interesting stuff on the Voronezh ...
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #123 - 02/04/10 at 14:26:29
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Sjakkalle wrote on 02/04/10 at 13:31:21:
Cox's book is still the gold standard for the Alekhine.


Cox's book remains the best of recent vintage, but there really is no book on this defense that I would compare to gold.  Objectively I would say that Cox's book is a worthy bronze medal.  This arises simply from the nature of the Starting Out series and is no criticism of Cox, whose work is invariably outstanding.  

Theory has expanded so much that a new edition comparable to those perennial Bagirov books would require two volumes, one for the Modern, and one for everything else.  But this will never happen since chess publishing is stuck in a rut of beginner books and narrowly focussed repertoire books for practical players.  Marin's English project is the exception but the Alekhine isn't popular enough to make the analogous Alekhine project commercially viable.

I will just put in a plug here for the recently-formed Alekhine Defense Working Group, which is attempting to produce a coherent analysis of at least some key variations, and possibly eventually, a set of notes on the entire defense.  The group is private and anyone wishing to join should message me privately.  We are up to 10 members although so far, we don't seem to be getting much done.

Our one tentative analytical conclusion so far is unfortunately negative: Marin seems to be wrong, in his ChessBase Magazine article, that 8...O-O is viable in the critical 7.Ng5 variation of Alburt's Variation.
  

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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #122 - 02/04/10 at 13:31:21
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My impression of the book is that the games are well-annotated, interesting, and of recent vintage, but I agree that it is somewhat wanting in comprehensiveness. The Voronezh really deserves a main game, although it was kind of fun to see the book kick off with a main game featuring 2.d3. I feel Hansen was a bit generous awarding the book the top grade and that Cox's book is still the gold standard for the Alekhine.
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #121 - 02/03/10 at 19:31:18
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Hansen gives this book 5 Stars out of 5 in his ChessCafe column that came out today, but says that it is aimed at 2200 and under players. This may account for some players discomfort with its contents.
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #120 - 01/26/10 at 17:09:02
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Ludde

I agree with most you said about the book but not
what you said about the Miles. I think the coverage is quite lousy for
a so important (in Alekhine terms) line
  
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