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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #89 - 12/26/09 at 15:36:30
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What about the Miles Variation? Is the analysis good? How does the cover of this variation compares to Rogozenko's in CBM 123?
  
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Reply #88 - 12/26/09 at 13:33:51
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Reply #87 - 12/26/09 at 10:54:43
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So anything new in this on 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6/c6 ?
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #86 - 12/25/09 at 23:44:14
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"I'm just not entirely sure who the author was writing for - the book offers little to a seasoned Alekhine veteran in terms of new analysis, and is not really a "Starting Out:" book, though it is closer to this style. "

In fact this is a good point.

And, besides my criticisms and yours, I feel there is distinctive lack of "assertive personality" on this book.

If one reads the book by J. Cox, one sees clearly his opinions on some variations which in some cases are backed with played games by the author.

In the recent articles by Marin on the Alburt variation, one also sees clearly his opinions on the line (despite here, one also sees that Marin has not been playing this variation

In the recent book by Bogdanov, most of the opinions given in the book are stereotyped opinions.
I was expected some strong opinions on new and old variations.
I also feel that the reference to players of Odessa of a few years ago is misleading since, one gets the idea that their researches would be given in the book and see nothing of it.
I also feel that the book is very Westernalized for a Russian (Ucranian ?) writer. In the Intro we see a paragraph mentioning several good players which play once in a while the defence and what about Mamedyarov (which apparently is not playing it anymore but played it quite often a few years ago and appears in the book in several games and in-the-middle-references). And what about Miroshnichenko?
And others?
In noticed a few (just a few) interesting (to me) comments in the middle of the main games but these do not strike me as justifying a new book

I think the new forthcoming book by Tim Taylor will be very different on this aspect.
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #85 - 12/25/09 at 11:13:00
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I must admit I am not a huge fan of the book. I know it does not claim to be a definitive work on the opening, but to see the Voronezh relegated to a side-note, along with quite a few other "main" continuations (even the author admits this at a few points) makes the book less appealing to me.

It didn't have to be encyclopaedic, but surely the main lines are the things which the book should spend it's time on? 

However, the stuff that is there is generally of a good standard, there is some explanation of plans etc, so the book does have it's place. I'm just not entirely sure who the author was writing for - the book offers little to a seasoned Alekhine veteran in terms of new analysis, and is not really a "Starting Out:" book, though it is closer to this style.
  

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Reply #84 - 12/24/09 at 16:12:09
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I agree. I have ordered the book and i'd like to know how it compares with the Cox's book. For example, are there any new ideas or forgoten ones that this book proposes? if they were in the critical lines the better.
  
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Reply #83 - 12/24/09 at 13:04:23
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It would be good if this thread was about the book published by Gambit and you had the discussion of your own collaboration in a separate thread.
  

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Reply #82 - 12/19/09 at 14:20:52
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Know next to nothing about Alekhines so nothing to contribute there.

Do have some limited expertise in elearning and collaborative online endeavours.  So, suggest working on a wiki. Easier for geographically separated folks working asynchronously to collaborate that way in my experience.   

Good luck.
  
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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #81 - 12/19/09 at 12:08:39
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Markovich

Point taken and thanks for your answer. I am in.

However, and as a suggestion, since I think our aim is to make a "contribution" to the current status of theAlekhine, I think our main (only one, for the moment ?!) focus should be on 4. Nf3 as you have suggested in a previous post.
As far as I understand, this is the line that makes people not to play the Alekhine. Perhaps, then, as a follow up, the exchange with cxd6.

Ãs far as I understand you will be giving some guidelines on how to proceed.

This seems important to me.

So I will wait for that specific post as well
  
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Reply #80 - 12/19/09 at 11:31:02
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I'd like to be a part of this historical effort! Please inform me about the details. Maybe with a PM?
  
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Reply #79 - 12/18/09 at 21:19:17
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lg wrote on 12/18/09 at 20:40:17:


i) What exactly is the aim of this project?
ii) Is it ethical?
iii) Wouldn't we need to have the opinion of the moderator of the section on this?
iv) Will the project by mostly a document on the posts? Will it need more analysis?


I can only answer for myself.

i.  The aim is to collaborate on some Alekhine's Defense notes, with the goal of forming a fairly comprehsive set of notes and possibly something that could be cast into a publication (e.g. ebook).  At minimum something that would be entertaining and useful to the people working on it.  It might well never come to more than that.

ii.  It is ethical.  What is on these boards is public info.  In any case, there is no proposal to quote long analyses from anyone who hasn't given his permission.  There is no proposal to use the Ebook or the updates.  We would not use any copyrighted material without permission.  I would not expect permission would be granted, in all frankness, unless we were somehow definitely affiliated with ChessPublishing, which I don't propose.

iii.  I fail to see what the moderator of this section has to do with the decision of some people who met here to get together and do some joint analysis.

iv.  This project will not be mostly a document of posts that have been made, but will produce definite conclusions on a number of points of interest in the theory of this defense, some of which may be the same points raised in posts here.  The proposal is for extensive, joint, new work on topics of interest in this defense.  There is no reason, however, why we could not include material based on what has been posted in any public forums on the Internet, including this one.

For the time being, it appears that there are several people here who are interested in this, including Ludde, TonyRo, CraigEvans, Daniel, you lg, and me.  I may forget someone.  Also I messaged Kam to see if he was interested.

lg, I very much regret if I somehow gave offense, which wasn't my intention.

  

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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #78 - 12/18/09 at 20:40:17
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I dont want to be the odd sheep but I have a few comments and one query to make about this project which I think are important. Some of these have already been pointed out before. Markovich, read to the end before starting to ask whether I want to be on it or not. I think the two main issues I am raising might be interesting and the query is important.

Query - Why exactly are we doing this?

Comment/Answer 1 - There are some posts on quite interesting analysis on some topical and some not topical lines that have been published in the site.
Thus, collecting all of this makes sense (if this is one possible answer to the query). However, i would like to stress again that many of these thoughts have been read and collected by the main analyser of the section (in this case, I refer to John Watson but some interesting interaction has also been obtained with J. Cox) and some have appeared in the monthly analysis.
Thus, what we are doing is ethical? In fact, could we even use the site to try to do something, while there exists an
an e-book on the defence which is being done and updated by
some of the analysers of the section?
Again, and even if this ethical problem is solved, or you convince me there is no ethical problem, I still ask
you again, what we are achieveing will be more
than what is in those posts?
Yes, I know that many analysis have not been covered by JW. But this happens to every book, article, and will happen even to this project.

To conclude (by the way, i still have more on
the variations I think should have priority but unfortunately, i need to leave)

i) What exactly is the aim of thsi project?
ii) Is it ethical?
iii) Wouldn't we need to have the opinion of the moderator of the section on this?
iv) Will the project by mostly a document on the posts? Will it need more analysis?


  
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Reply #77 - 12/18/09 at 14:25:21
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Excellent, I look forward to it.

However, I agree with an earlier post where there was mentioned that some degree of knowledge in the lines would be useful. Like Stefan, I know much more about the sidelines and rarer tries (e.g. 4...Nc6 in the main line, 6....c5 and 7...g6 in the 4PA, early a4 thrusts in the exchange/main line) than the main line Kengis or Miles - I will of course offer my thoughts and help on anything, but there are some positions where I am likely to be both the weakest player and least understanding contributor.
  

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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #76 - 12/18/09 at 14:18:36
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Daniel wrote on 12/18/09 at 00:28:44:
I'd be willing to help on the old main line (4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6) which I played as black for quite some time.


Great.

OK people, this weekend I'll draw up a more definite specification of this proposal.  I'll post in a separate thread.  This will of course be subject to discussion and amendment. 
  

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Re: New Alekhine Book pushed back
Reply #75 - 12/18/09 at 00:28:44
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I'd be willing to help on the old main line (4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 e6) which I played as black for quite some time.
  
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