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	Dink Heckler wrote on 02/03/10 at 17:04:58: This is the Old Benoni. Books: Raetsky / Chetverik, and Hartson's Benoni books both deal with all the odds-and-ends Benonis. Old Benoni... Thanks. I have Starting Out - Benoni Systems by Raetsky & Chetverik (2005) but I don't know about Hartson.

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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 900 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #12 - 02/03/10 at 17:04:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	This is the Old Benoni. Books: Raetsky / Chetverik, and Hartson's Benoni books both deal with all the odds-and-ends Benonis.

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Re: Czech Benoni
Reply #11 - 02/03/10 at 15:31:48

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Hi

I am reviving an old thread.

Let's take this sequence of moves,
"1. d4 c5 2. d5 e5 3. e4 d6 4. Nc3 g6/Nf6/etc"

My questions are:

1) I'm going to be White in this line on Sunday. What are the books/etc to study?
2) What is this called? The black pawn-structure is the same, still it can't be called Czech Benoni.

Question "+1":
What moves does the Chessbase Fritz Trainer by Martin on the Czech Benoni recommend to Black after "1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3"?

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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 900 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #10 - 09/25/09 at 10:47:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	kylemeister wrote on 09/17/09 at 22:01:43: Hmm. I've always had the impression that the ...Nbd7 and ...Ne8 stuff is the standard treatment, and several books I just checked make no mention of that Old Benoni-ish ...Bg4 approach. Seems worth consideration to me. Maybe it has to do with the idea that the CB is potentially a sort of improved KID, and so Black would rather hang on to his light-squared bishop (e.g. for purposes of the potential sac on h3 in Mar del Plata-type positions). Yes, this ...Bg4xf3 idea is not at all well covered in my sources, but I consider it viable, if somewhat unambitious (even by CB standards).

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Dink Heckler God Member Offline Love-Forty Posts: 900 Joined: 02/01/07 Gender:	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #9 - 09/25/09 at 10:45:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	Markovich wrote on 09/16/09 at 13:27:54: I realize that it's a theoretical no-no, but I wonder if 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.f4 is in fact a viable way of fighting against this system. Black gets e5 but White gets the f-file and can fight back with Nf3 and Bf4. I don't think White can make this work. Nf3, Bf4 are met by ...Nbd7, Nh5, Bf6, g6, Ng7...and White's position lacks all dynamism.

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Uruk Senior Member Offline Posts: 351 Joined: 02/03/09	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #8 - 09/17/09 at 23:20:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	kylemeister wrote on 09/17/09 at 22:01:43: the CB is potentially a sort of improved KID


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #7 - 09/17/09 at 22:01:43	Post Tools	Print Post
	Hmm. I've always had the impression that the ...Nbd7 and ...Ne8 stuff is the standard treatment, and several books I just checked make no mention of that Old Benoni-ish ...Bg4 approach. Seems worth consideration to me. Maybe it has to do with the idea that the CB is potentially a sort of improved KID, and so Black would rather hang on to his light-squared bishop (e.g. for purposes of the potential sac on h3 in Mar del Plata-type positions).


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #6 - 09/17/09 at 12:52:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	kylemeister wrote on 09/16/09 at 16:21:57: I don't think I've come across it recently (e.g. it wasn't one of the several approaches addressed in the Yearbook article), but I wonder about White just playing à la the Classical KID (this sort of thing: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e5 4. Nc3 d6 5. e4 Be7 6. Nf3 Nbd7 7. Be2 0-0 8. 0-0 Ne8 9. a3 g6 10. Bh6 Ng7 11. Qd2), which I believe has often been considered slightly better for him. Well doesn't Black typically play ...Bg4 instead of ...Nbd7, intending ...Bxf3, ...Ne8 and ...Bg5? My understanding is the the two main antidotes are Bd3 with h3 and g4; and g3 with Nge2 and the eventual f2-f4.

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #5 - 09/16/09 at 16:21:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't think I've come across it recently (e.g. it wasn't one of the several approaches addressed in the Yearbook article), but I wonder about White just playing à la the Classical KID (this sort of thing: 1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 e5 4. Nc3 d6 5. e4 Be7 6. Nf3 Nbd7 7. Be2 0-0 8. 0-0 Ne8 9. a3 g6 10. Bh6 Ng7 11. Qd2), which I believe has often been considered slightly better for him.


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #4 - 09/16/09 at 13:27:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I realize that it's a theoretical no-no, but I wonder if 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.d5 e5 4.Nc3 d6 5.e4 Be7 6.f4 is in fact a viable way of fighting against this system. Black gets e5 but White gets the f-file and can fight back with Nf3 and Bf4.

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MatrixX Junior Member Offline carpe diem! Posts: 66 Joined: 02/21/09	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #3 - 09/16/09 at 13:10:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	i watched the Andrew Martin DVD maybe 2 Years ago. I remember this being one of his best DVDs. He chatches the principle ideas/manoevers and also gives very concrete suggestions against the most critical/ambitious/dangerous lines from white. So far i could use the Czech Benoni as a surspise weapon from time to time to outplay weaker opponents in the arrising complex middlegame-positions, i have 100% with it

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thibdb13 God Member Offline Tal was the best Posts: 974 Location: Mechelen Joined: 01/25/07 Gender:	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #2 - 09/16/09 at 07:20:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	kylemeister wrote on 09/15/09 at 16:09:39: Uh, well, on moves 2 and 3 there are numerous other things White can play, like 2. Nc3, the Trompovsky, 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. d5 (often not followed by c4), 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. c3, 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. e3, 3. Nf3, 3. e3 ... I hope Palliser will write something about this continuation in his book. http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/How_to_Play_against_1d4

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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Czech Benoni Reply #1 - 09/15/09 at 16:09:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	Well, there was a Yearbook article by Steve Giddins a little while back, but naturally it only addressed certain lines. Uh, well, on moves 2 and 3 there are numerous other things White can play, like 2. Nc3, the Trompovsky, 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. d5 (often not followed by c4), 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. c3, 2. Nf3 with the idea of 2...c5 3. e3, 3. Nf3, 3. e3 ...


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e4d6 YaBB Newbies Offline Posts: 40 Joined: 01/31/08 Gender:	Czech Benoni 09/15/09 at 15:36:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	I'm thinking about playing the Czech Benoni. In his DVD Andrew Martin seems to cover d4 Nf6 c4 c5 d5 e5. Does anyone have an opinion about this DVD ? What additionale sidelines (at move 2 and 3 do I need to know ? Are there big holes / problems ? And any other good sources ? Thanks and best regards


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