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Re: Italian - Hungarian defence
Reply #5 - 09/15/09 at 21:15:21
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After 5.c3 Black's best move is probably 5...Na5, as recommended in Danish Dynamite and a few other places.  Black may well have equality in that line, especially after the standard response 6.Qxd4- though in my opinion 6.Bd3 might be a better try, with at least adequate compensation for the pawn.

5...dxc3 is dangerous after either 6.Nxc3 followed by Qb3, or 6.Qd5 (usually my preference in that position) Nh6 7.Bxh6 0-0 8.Nxc3 (or 8.Bxg7, but not 8.Bc1?! Nb4 9.Qd1 c2).  Especially in blitz many players fall for 6...d6?? 7.Qxf7+ Kd7 8.Be6#.

5.Nxd4 should be a safe +=, giving rise to positions where White is freer but Black is solid.
  
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Re: Italian - Hungarian defence
Reply #4 - 09/15/09 at 19:05:14
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Nightlamp wrote on 09/15/09 at 18:46:48:
Don't know... The sources I found suggested it was quite equal. Perhaps more equal than the 2 Knights?!, and easier to learn/play than Bc5.

These two lines are why it is almost never played:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7 4.d4 and:
-4..exd4 and you have a philidor with the bishop committed to e7 (and 5.c3 is a very dangerous gambit)
-4..d6 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.Qxd8 Bxd8 which scores massively for white. An example by the 3.Bc4 expert Estrin. So it is a great line if you are into masochism Wink:
[Site "Prague"]
[Date "1985.??.??"]
[White "Estrin,Yacov"]
[Black "Tichy,Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Be7 4.d4 d6 5.dxe5 dxe5 6.Qxd8+ Bxd8 7.Nc3 Nf6 8.Be3 0-0 9.Bc5 Re8 10.Ng5 Be6 11.Nxe6 fxe6 12.Bb5 Be7 13.Bxe7 Rxe7 14.Bxc6 bxc6 15.0-0-0 Kf8 16.Rd3 Rd7 17.Rxd7 Nxd7 18.Na4 Ke7 19.Re1 Rf8 20.f3 Rb8 21.Re3 Rb5 22.Ra3 Ra5 23.b4 Rb5 24.Nb2 Rxb4 25.Rxa7 Kd6 26.a3 Rb8 27.Nc4+ Kc5 28.Rxc7 Rd8 29.Na5 Kb6 30.Rxc6+ Kxa5 31.Rxe6 g6 32.Rd6 Kb5 33.f4 exf4 34.e5 Kc5 35.Rd3 Re8 36.Rxd7 Rxe5 37.Rxh7 Re2 38.Rf7 Rxg2 39.Rxf4 Rxh2 40.Rg4 Rh1+ 41.Kb2 g5 42.Rxg5+ Kb6 43.a4 Rh4 44.Kb3 Rh1 45.Re5 Kc6 46.Kb4 Rc1 47.Rc5+ Kb6 48.Rc3 Ka6 49.Rc6+ Kb7 50.Kb5 Rb1+ 51.Kc5 Ra1 52.Rb6+ Kc7 53.Rb4 Rc1 54.c4 Ra1 55.Kb5 Kb7 56.a5 Ra2 57.Rb1 Ra3 58.c5 Ra2 59.Rb4 Ra1 60.c6+ Kc7 61.a6 Ra2 62.Rb1 Ra3 63.Rh1 Rb3+ 64.Ka4 Rb2 65.a7 Ra2+ 66.Kb5 Rb2+ 67.Kc4 Ra2 68.Rh8  1-0
  
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Re: Italian - Hungarian defence
Reply #3 - 09/15/09 at 18:52:53
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The Hungarian is clearly playable but has long been considered "+=" with best play (it seems to be a paradigm case of a += opening, one might say).  It might be the only opening that I can't recall ever seeing as the subject of a book.
  
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Re: Italian - Hungarian defence
Reply #2 - 09/15/09 at 18:46:48
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Don't know... The sources I found suggested it was quite equal. Perhaps more equal than the 2 Knights?!, and easier to learn/play than Bc5.
  
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Re: Italian - Hungarian defence
Reply #1 - 09/15/09 at 18:45:23
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Nightlamp wrote on 09/15/09 at 18:43:04:
hi,

I was looking for some games in the Hungarian defence on chesspublishing. I only found 2, rather old and irrelevant ones.
Is there an actual book in which this opening is treated (from black's perspective)?

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That might be becuase this opening is rather old and irrelevant  Wink
  
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Italian - Hungarian defence
09/15/09 at 18:43:04
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hi,

I was looking for some games in the Hungarian defence on chesspublishing. I only found 2, rather old and irrelevant ones.
Is there an actual book in which this opening is treated (from black's perspective)?

kind regards
  
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