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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #32 - 12/15/09 at 03:48:37
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This forum is about opening theory, but isn't the sporting results from the application of that theory important also?

I think BDG Lover makes a good point. The BDG suits his style and he scores well with it. For arguments sake, let's say, as white, he scores 58% with the BDG and 54% with 1.d4 and 2.c4. If that is the case, isn't it better for him to play the BDG than standard openings? And if so, why is he being mocked?

For example; Player A has white and plays the BDG, London or Colle. Take your pick. Player B as Black knows the opening theory, but has little practical experience with it OTB. Player A, who has tons of experience with his pet opening, not only knows the theory, but understands how that theory influences the early middlegame, both tactically and positionally. Doesn't Player A in fact have the advantage when the theory comes to an end? Objectively, white and black may have equal chances, but subjectively, Player A has a tangible advantage until the game passes into a position where A's prior experience no longer helps him.

An example of this exists right here on the d-pawns forum. Go have a look at Mnb's BDG challenge game and you'll see that he didn't understand how to cope with it. He played too passively and allowed white to build up his position until black was overwhelmed. What BDG Lover is saying, and what I also know to be true from playing the BDG, is that at the amateur level, accurate defense is the exception, not the rule. And the BDG theory is designed to exploit inaccurate play. And that's why BDG players score well with it and why they are so persistant in their defense of the opening.
  
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #31 - 12/15/09 at 02:02:24
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Markovich wrote on 12/14/09 at 16:09:36:
I regret now having started the BDG-bashing.  Let's talk chess now or leave off this thread, people.

I think I was the one who started mocking and don't regret it at all. Certainly I will not apologize.
The second line is a good idea, so I am eagerly waiting for BDG-Lovers great analysis. The fact that he hasn't provided it yet was an important reason to start the mocking.
Thatever, so I will indeed shut up in this thread until I see some moves.
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Reply #30 - 12/14/09 at 21:58:01
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Is there a date when this book will be out in the shops????
  

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Reply #29 - 12/14/09 at 16:37:38
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Is it possible for Christoph to give us some hints about new additions to BDG Theory coming with this book, or at least when it might actually hit a bookshelf? Pretty please? Grin
  
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Reply #28 - 12/14/09 at 16:09:36
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I regret now having started the BDG-bashing.  Let's talk chess now or leave off this thread, people.
  

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Reply #27 - 12/14/09 at 15:13:40
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[Modified by Markovich.  Let's refrain from dragging personalities into this, O.K.?]

But seriously, the BDG is just objectively dubious, although that hasn't stopped some 2400+ players from losing to it.
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #26 - 12/14/09 at 14:48:10
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BDG Lover wrote on 12/10/09 at 09:41:26:
Listen guys , you play the openings you want to, and i will play the opneing i want to, ok????? , I was not aware that i had to ask you what i should play??   Yes, i am a patzer, so what, i love the BDG and other Gambits.  Smiley


Sorry, I was just joking around.  I didn't mean to give offense.  Actually I think the BDG is good training for up-and-coming young players.

It is perhaps worth noting, however, that this forum is devoted to chess opening theory, not only preference.  Whether the BDG is =+ or merely = has been continual question here.
  

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Reply #25 - 12/12/09 at 23:35:13
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MNb,   Whatever.
  

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Reply #24 - 12/12/09 at 20:43:06
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BDG Lover certainly is member of the sect called BDG Community. The way he defends against strawmen is one proof. Another one is the excessive use of exclams.
One important question remains: did Blackmar use exclams as excessively as well? I am sure LDZ can enlighten us on this point, so important for the history of the BDG Community. And what can interest us more?

As scene three I propose the rebirth of Blackmar as Diemer under supervision of LDZ.
  

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Reply #23 - 12/12/09 at 19:37:07
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Sounds like a += play in your favor all the time!
  

What kind of proof is that?
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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #22 - 12/12/09 at 13:14:31
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Guys, i play for fun, Gambits and other " risky" systems are the type of games i love to play. Now i know all you SGM wannabies play all " Main Line or "Sound" openings, but , and this is the strange fact, when i play such players over the board or on some internet site like " Playchess.com" , i do quite well against them!!!!!    If i play someone who is much stronger, then i  would probaly lose anyway, so i play one of my " unsound" systems and surprise surprise, i push him all the way!  Also, the game is interesting , full of ideas and possibilties!!  Chess will never pay my mortgage or become my life, so i play when i can and choose the openings i want to. Now, until there is some kind of law passed in the world of chess, where somebody else chooses what openings we play, this is how it continue to be for myself, it might change in the future, but not for now.
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #21 - 12/12/09 at 04:34:14
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Duh! Blackmar never played the BDG! He played  1 d4 d5 2 e2 dxe4 3 f3?! , the Blackmar Gambit. This was shown to be inferior after 3...e5! Now, Diemer played 1 d4 d5 2 e4 dxe4 3 Nc3! Nf6 4 f3!

Emil Josef Diemer was actually the reincarnation of Armand Edward Blackmar. He purpose for coming back was to finish the work he started with the Blackmar Gambit. 

FYI, A.E. Blackmar died in 1888, and E.J. Diemer was born in 1908. EJD died in 1990. Both players were born in May, and both died in October. Both supported unpopular causes. Blackmar supported the Confederacy, while Diemer supported Nazi Germany.
  
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Reply #20 - 12/11/09 at 15:09:38
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MNb wrote on 12/11/09 at 02:19:08:
You are completely right - and the first line of that chess comedy must contain the phrase

BDG Lover wrote on 12/08/09 at 20:50:32:
the " One true path" that is The BDG. Smiley


It will provide an excellent starter.  Cheesy

As the first scene I propose Diemer on Ice.


As the second scene I propose Blackmar's Green Day. Find out why Blackmar got so high on the BDG. Warning: Contains drug references, especially to adrenalin.

Why is the BDG so good in correspondence chess?

Because when you suddenly realise you are down a pawn for nothing, you can always say it got 'lost in the mail'. Grin
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #19 - 12/11/09 at 02:19:08
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You are completely right - and the first line of that chess comedy must contain the phrase

BDG Lover wrote on 12/08/09 at 20:50:32:
the " One true path" that is The BDG. Smiley


It will provide an excellent starter.  Cheesy

As the first scene I propose Diemer on Ice.
  

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Re: Christoph's Gambit!?
Reply #18 - 12/10/09 at 15:37:46
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Matemax wrote on 12/10/09 at 10:35:00:
BDG Lover wrote on 12/10/09 at 09:41:26:
Listen guys , you play the openings you want to, and i will play the opneing i want to, ok????? , I was not aware that i had to ask you what i should play??   Yes, i am a patzer, so what, i love the BDG and other Gambits.  Smiley

No that's not OK - you have to play the openings we want  Wink


Now that's funny! Grin  It's amazing how the BDG brings out so much emotion both for and against. d-pawn Specials forum has a ton of it in umpteen different threads. Enough in fact for someone to write a chess comedy!
  
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