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Vishy Anand    
  4 (10.8%)
Lev Aronian    
  3 (8.1%)
Magnus Carlsen    
  9 (24.3%)
Boris Gelfand    
  0 (0.0%)
Vasily Ivanchuk    
  1 (2.7%)
Vladimir Kramnik    
  18 (48.6%)
Petr Leko    
  0 (0.0%)
Alex Morozevich    
  1 (2.7%)
Ruslan Ponomariov    
  1 (2.7%)
Peter Svidler    
  0 (0.0%)




Total votes: 37
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #34 - 11/11/09 at 21:52:06
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Smyslov, I think was what Schaak was trying to say is that Kramnik had to change the way he approached chess of late. He had to try to win with black if the opportunity presented itself and play more wild positions than the simple grind fests he was used to. I would say he has done all those things and it shows.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #33 - 11/11/09 at 20:48:54
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Schaak, it was only a year ago that Kramnik was world champion.  He didn't need this tournament to help his credentials.  He is a fiery competitor and was going to play hard regardless.  This tournament will not affect any of the participants' World Championship aspirations.   

Having said that, I am really glad to see Kramnik playing so well.  Anand is still within reach but Gelfand really hurt Aronian's chances.   

This was a great day for chess fans.  This year's edition of the Tal Memorial is really doing a great job of memorializing one of the game's greatest players.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #32 - 11/11/09 at 19:44:36
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Antillian wrote on 11/11/09 at 19:26:25:
Kramnik wins again against Ponomariov in a really sharp game. I was following it on live when all of the sudden  the live coverage ended both on ICC and TWIC.

I must say, Kramnik is really playing like a world champion!


Like I said: if he wants another shot at the title he has to step up to the plate. And I would say he has made a good start.
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #31 - 11/11/09 at 19:26:25
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Kramnik wins again against Ponomariov in a really sharp game. I was following it on live when all of the sudden  the live coverage ended both on ICC and TWIC.

I must say, Kramnik is really playing like a world champion!
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #30 - 11/11/09 at 03:39:12
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So far, Gelfand-Kramnik is my choice for game of the tnmt. Kramnik managed to build up his position and was close to winning when Gelfand cranked it up with a gambit that came close to winning.  (Some with computer engines running suggest that he was indeed winning at one point.) Then they had a massive time scramble which saw both players find and miss some impressive shots.   

The game ended with a protracted R+ 4 vs R+3 pawn ending, all on one side.  Again, the two players didn't pull any punches.  From an aesthetic perspective, this was a complete game played at an extremely high level.  The only thing it lacked was a decisive result.

Does anyone else have candidates for best game of the tnmt?
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #29 - 11/10/09 at 15:13:23
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Well, my impression was quite contrary that Kramnik has been more often on the black side of a Catalan recently than on the white side, speaking about the year 2009. (2 Catalan games: In Dortmund, there was Leko-Kramnik. And in the 2009 Zuerich rapid we had Topalov-Kramnik.) 

When it comes to Kramnik at the white side, I think, he switched back in his repertoire to main line QGD openings with Nc3 and Nf3 instead of Catalans with Nf3 and g3. 

BTW, it's quite funny that Kramnik tends to frustrate Khalifman's openings series this way: Just when they are about to rework the "Openings according to Kramnik" series to reflect a Catalan repertoire (see the Chess Stars Web page for more explanations), Kramnik is back to Nf3/Nc3. Which happens to have been the basis of the original first edition of the 5-volume series...
  
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Reply #28 - 11/10/09 at 14:10:54
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Gelfand dares to play that Catalan against Kramnik! What a shocker. I can't recall anyone playing this against Kramnik recently. Certainly as the #1 Catalan expert, Kramnik's choice of line will be very closely watched.
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #27 - 11/10/09 at 12:21:40
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Antillian wrote on 11/10/09 at 12:12:17:
Schaakhamster wrote on 11/10/09 at 09:03:39:

It loks like Kramnik made the mental switch from WC to just supertournamentplayer again. Perhaps he has realised that to get in contention for the title again he'll have to do better then just +1/+2 in tournaments and that giving up half you chances to win games and only play for a win with white does make it difficult to win these kinds of tournaments.  


I think it is premature to draw this conclusion. The choices of the White players against Kramnik so far have allowed Kramnik to play for a win as Black in the manner that suits Kramnik - with the Nimzo. I suspect had his opponents played 3. Nf3 instead, we would have had a solid QGD and of course 1.e4 would have brought Kramnik's trademark Petroff.


Perhaps it is premature. Perhaps not. Fact remains that to get back on top he'll have start banging some heads together and winning some tournaments other then Ultimate Drawfest aka Dortmund. I like to think he'll step up to the plate. 
  
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Reply #26 - 11/10/09 at 12:12:17
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Schaakhamster wrote on 11/10/09 at 09:03:39:

It loks like Kramnik made the mental switch from WC to just supertournamentplayer again. Perhaps he has realised that to get in contention for the title again he'll have to do better then just +1/+2 in tournaments and that giving up half you chances to win games and only play for a win with white does make it difficult to win these kinds of tournaments.  


I think it is premature to draw this conclusion. The choices of the White players against Kramnik so far have allowed Kramnik to play for a win as Black in the manner that suits Kramnik - with the Nimzo. I suspect had his opponents played 3. Nf3 instead, we would have had a solid QGD and of course 1.e4 would have brought Kramnik's trademark Petroff.
  

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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #25 - 11/10/09 at 09:03:39
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GabrielGale wrote on 11/10/09 at 01:09:09:
I voted for Aronian 'cos I think his time is a coming ... 'cos of his connection to Australia  Grin ...
'cos I like his white repertoire ... 'cos I like his style ...

But seriously, Kraminik is showing good form. I came back to chess late and never really got to know the younger Kramnik and the Kramnik I know from the last 3 years did not really impress.

I would have voted fro Carlsen but for two factors: 1) the very latest news about the BUG!
2) The what I call Botvinnik (?) explanation that the top chessplayers cannot maintain their form indefinitely without sufficient R&R. Carlsen coming off a stupendous performance in Nanjing would find it hard to mainatin the form. Further the pressure of being top seed has to bite somehow and the gossip surrounding the late withdrawal from Euro Team Ch will only have exacerbated the issue (He is young and probably (and I am only speculating here) would not have developed a patina to shield off those negative remarks).

Speculation: Would Carlsen develop a certain ruthlessness required to gain the World Crown?


It loks like Kramnik made the mental switch from WC to just supertournamentplayer again. Perhaps he has realised that to get in contention for the title again he'll have to do better then just +1/+2 in tournaments and that giving up half you chances to win games and only play for a win with white does make it difficult to win these kinds of tournaments.   
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #24 - 11/10/09 at 08:59:27
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 11/09/09 at 14:20:39:
I notice that there's no love for Leko here.  It's a shame that such a talented player never really turned his skills to winning tournaments.  And now, it's probably too late in his career.  

He probably thought of himself as following in the footsteps of Petrosian and Andersson, but he never quite made it despite playing for the world title. (pace, TN)


To me Leko always seems the ultimate "objective" player. Always plays the position never the opponent. But that doesn't cut it in modern day chess where you have to get down and dirty. Look at Kramnik and Carlsen ability to win near-equal endgames, look at Topalov's ability to create unclear positons that suits him at his peak. 

It's like the guy believes the correct solution to a game is a draw and unless someone screws up it'll ends that way. Still when pushed he can win the odd game against anyone. But in a way I think it is quite comforting to play against him for the other big guys: when your not up to it an extra restday is right there for the taking. 

  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #23 - 11/10/09 at 01:09:09
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I voted for Aronian 'cos I think his time is a coming ... 'cos of his connection to Australia  Grin ...
'cos I like his white repertoire ... 'cos I like his style ...

But seriously, Kraminik is showing good form. I came back to chess late and never really got to know the younger Kramnik and the Kramnik I know from the last 3 years did not really impress.

I would have voted fro Carlsen but for two factors: 1) the very latest news about the BUG!
2) The what I call Botvinnik (?) explanation that the top chessplayers cannot maintain their form indefinitely without sufficient R&R. Carlsen coming off a stupendous performance in Nanjing would find it hard to mainatin the form. Further the pressure of being top seed has to bite somehow and the gossip surrounding the late withdrawal from Euro Team Ch will only have exacerbated the issue (He is young and probably (and I am only speculating here) would not have developed a patina to shield off those negative remarks).

Speculation: Would Carlsen develop a certain ruthlessness required to gain the World Crown?
  

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Reply #22 - 11/09/09 at 18:20:28
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Funny that Aronian stands out from the crowd of "non-favorites" (Kramnik, Carlsen, Anand), I would have expected the outsiders to be much closer (although 3 votes isn't that much).
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #21 - 11/09/09 at 14:20:39
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I notice that there's no love for Leko here.  It's a shame that such a talented player never really turned his skills to winning tournaments.  And now, it's probably too late in his career.   

He probably thought of himself as following in the footsteps of Petrosian and Andersson, but he never quite made it despite playing for the world title. (pace, TN)
  
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Re: Tal Memorial 2009
Reply #20 - 11/09/09 at 13:47:58
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Schaakhamster wrote on 11/08/09 at 20:13:18:
Antillian wrote on 11/08/09 at 20:02:24:
Kramnik again! And oh, how ordinary Carlsen looks in this tournament so far. 


apparantly he is a bit sick. And even if he's not: I won't burry him for a mediocre result as I won't declare him the next Fischer after a good one. He has time on his side to say the least.


Okay, I am reading this on chessbase.com now. That explains his tepid play.
  

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