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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #35 - 05/28/10 at 08:35:37
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Firebird comes in quite handy during correspondence games. At least until your opponent gets the same idea, in which case you have to use your brains.
  

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Reply #34 - 05/27/10 at 14:52:50
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Is this a correspondence game? Work it out for yourself - ignorance is bliss.
  
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Reply #33 - 05/27/10 at 13:51:35
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arcee wrote on 05/27/10 at 13:37:57:
I agree.  Would Qe5+ be a good one?


Why would you want to exchange queens?  I'd play 6.Qe3 and plan Nc3, Bd2 and O-O-O.  Queen eventually to g3 most likely.  Just like a center game except that Black has the crappy ...c5 in.
  

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Reply #32 - 05/27/10 at 13:37:57
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I agree.  Would Qe5+ be a good one?
  
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Reply #31 - 05/27/10 at 12:18:31
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arcee wrote on 05/27/10 at 10:54:51:
Hi!  I just started playing this variation: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 Nxd4 4. Nxd4 exd4 5. Qxd4 c5

Any good suggestions on how white should continue?


This looks to be an enormous positional error. I'd move the queen, and play Nc3, Bc4, and possibly 0-0-0. Black should be much worse already.
  
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Reply #30 - 05/27/10 at 10:54:51
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Hi!  I just started playing this variation: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 Nxd4 4. Nxd4 exd4 5. Qxd4 c5

Any good suggestions on how white should continue?
  
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Reply #29 - 05/06/10 at 15:10:10
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That is of course clear to me (otherwise chess would be trivial), but at least some directions could be clear.

I have done a small research and found some Nd2 lines (as played by Sveshnikov) interesting. Perhaps I will post some concrete lines (if you are interested) at a later point.
  
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Reply #28 - 05/06/10 at 13:09:03
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PatzerNoster wrote on 05/06/10 at 09:31:46:
Nobody interested in the Scotch?  Undecided


Yeah, of course, but how to demonstrate the advantage after 4...Nf6 is a vast question and one that I am not able to answer, nor do I have the time right now to delve into the line you propose.  The positions that arise from 4...Nf6 are quite difficult for both sides, and there are very few easy answers there, I think.
  

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Reply #27 - 05/06/10 at 09:31:46
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Nobody interested in the Scotch?  Undecided
  
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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #26 - 05/02/10 at 17:31:25
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I received the book some days ago and now had a superficial look over the recommendations.

In the main line 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 ed4: 4.Nd4: Nf6 5.Nc6: bc6: 6.e5 Qe7 7.Qe2 Nd5 8.c4 Ba6 9.b3 g6 10.f4 f6 11.ef6: Qe2: 12.Be2: Bb4+ 13.Bd2 Bd2:+ 14.Nd2: Nf4: 15.Rf1 Ne2: 16.Ke2: Kf7 17.Kd3 Rae8 18.g4 Barsky mentions 18. ... d6!? without further comment (the main game is won convincingly by white as black ignores his worst piece, the Ba6). However, there is a game Kristjansson-Pedersen, 2006 which was won convincingly by black, and after a short analysis with Rybka, I think white essentially struggles for a draw after 18. ... d6!
This is not too surprising, as the rooks combine better with the bishop than with the knight.

I have close to zero experience with the Scotch, but as I see many strong players play it regularly.
Does anybody have an idea how white can fight for an advantage in the 4. ... Nf6 mainline?

If there was no way, the Scotch would perhaps be as popular as the Vienna!  Wink
  
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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #25 - 02/01/10 at 13:48:06
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I finally received my copy of this book on Friday and spent some time looking at it over the weekend.  I have not yet delved very deeply into the chess, but to all appearances it's one of Chess Stars' better efforts.  I am somewhat familiar with the theory of the Mieses Variation, having played it for some time as Black, and Barsky's coverage there looks better than adequate.  He also has some interesting new ideas about 6.Bd3 d5 7.e5.  My impression had been that Black was simply better there, but he makes a case for White's chances in the pawn-down game that arises.  This being a repertoire book, Barsky confines himself to the exchange on c6 after both 4...Bc5 and 4...Bb4+ 5.c3 Bc5.  I'm less familiar with the theory of that, but Barsky makes some interesting arguments.  Laudably, he spends a good deal of time treating Black's less theoretically prominent tries.  He devotes a good-sized section to White's play against 4...Qh4.

The English is up to Chess Stars' recent standard, which is to say fully adequate but with the occasional odd-sounding expression.  The strange-sounding verb-adverb-object word order (e.g. "protect well e4"), evidently common in the Slavic languages, appears throughout.  Still I suppose I'm perhaps one of the few chess players who cares about good English in chess books.  Frankly also I am less annoyed by Slavic-sounding word order than I am by the chirrupy diction that you find in so many English-English chess books, not to mention the plague of whilsts that unfortunately afflicts them.  

Actually since Barsky does the reader the favor of showing diagrams of key terminal positions, I was able to look at the chess of the book a little bit.  I am not strong enough to criticize Barsky's chess judgment in any case, but his evaluations mostly made sense to me.  There was one position that I wondered about and I may come back here with it. 

So from my admittedly somewhat superficial point of view, it appears to be a work well worth having, mostly for prospective Whites but perhaps also for Blacks.
  

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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #24 - 02/01/10 at 13:02:36
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Keano wrote on 02/01/10 at 11:18:52:
From what I´ve heard the book is not that big? My doubt is that given this, and the peculiar format of "Quick Repertoire", "step by step", blah blah blah, it means a lot of stuff is being repeated also. Frankly I have to admit I´m not a fan of that book format since it lends itself to repetition.


I think you're missing the point - repetition is the idea! It's probably not a particularly great format if you're a CC player or you have a great memory, since you only need to view it from a reference viewpoint, but if you're an OTB player, I think the format is dynamite. First, you can quickly assimilate what all of the main lines are, and get an idea of what's going on, what both sides generally aim to do, etc....then you get to expand your knowledge into sidelines and further review the main lines, then you get some complete games to sink your teeth into, increasing your understanding of the middlegames and endgames again! 

I can see your point a bit, but I think Chess Stars has done a great job with this format. 
  
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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #23 - 02/01/10 at 11:18:52
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From what I´ve heard the book is not that big? My doubt is that given this, and the peculiar format of "Quick Repertoire", "step by step", blah blah blah, it means a lot of stuff is being repeated also. Frankly I have to admit I´m not a fan of that book format since it lends itself to repetition.
  
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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #22 - 01/31/10 at 14:16:28
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I had a look in the last few days. My overall opinion is quite favióurable. The presentation is quite good, there are a lot of suggestions and it is shurly not a database dump. I took up the scotch after reading Collins excellent "Opening repertoire for the attacking player",, which was published some years ago. Now this is an excellent way to refresh the lines. 
Barsky spend quite a lot of space on several side lines (in my opinion a little bit to much-- I never played against 4....g6 or 4...Nxd5, even in blitz), and then moves forward to the lines with 4...Qh4 and 4...Bb4+, which are covered excellently. I like the concept with quick reperoitre and step by step, as you get an excellent overview after looking up the quick repertoire section.
Then he continues with the two mainlines. Against 1.e4 e5 2,Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Bc5 he proposes 5. Nxc6 Qf6 and then 6.Qf3. This variation is quite popular in the last few years and there are many fresh positions. also the presentation is quite nice. Maybe it would be nice, to have a "second " Variation against the mainline (say 6.Qd2).
Against the Mieses, he propsoes to Variations, 6.Bd3 and the main line with 6.e5. The line with 6.Bd3 i donot know, but I remenber Davis suggesting this line in his DVD about the scotch(Which is suitable for around 1700 Elo). The main line is covered quite nicely, however the Quick repertoire part is quite short, so in order to really play the line you have to look up the step by step part.

Overall a very good book and a must for everybody playing the scotch with white ! Wink
  
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Re: The Scotch Game by Barsky
Reply #21 - 01/31/10 at 13:57:07
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Bump.

Any more thoughts on this? 
Any more considered views now from people who have spent time with the text? Am considering purchasing, so would appreciate some feedback. Thanks muchly in advance any who may be able to opine....
  
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