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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1976 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #8 - 12/17/09 at 18:38:21	Post Tools	Print Post
	Thanks for this kylemeister! -- I'm not sure I've even seen this thread before. Will get swotting. I'd love to see discussions of 3 ...d6 and 3 ...g6, though this might not be the place ...


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kylemeister God Member Offline Posts: 4989 Location: USA Joined: 10/24/05	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #7 - 12/17/09 at 17:17:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	There was considerable jabber about the Barcza-Larsen here. http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1190012679


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Michael Ayton God Member Offline ‘You’re never alone with a doppelgänger.’ Posts: 1976 Location: durham Joined: 04/19/03 Gender:	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #6 - 12/17/09 at 15:45:33	Post Tools	Print Post
	[quote]The bottom line is that Black's game is not so easy after 3.d5. [/quote] This is often suggested, but are things so clear? Which line(s) do you think call Black's play into question, Markovich? I can't as yet find any comments by TopNotch either, but there are one or two comments on this move order (and on the F-B) later on in this thread, which you might like to take a look at: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1090430586/0 As well as 3 ...ed 4 ed d6, Black can also try 3 ...g6 (the so-called Gunderam Defence), or 3 ...d6 first, which might lead to positions discussed here: http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1258418490/9#9 (replies 9--13)


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Markovich God Member Offline Posts: 6099 Location: Columbus, Ohio Joined: 09/17/04	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #5 - 12/17/09 at 14:27:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	ham204 wrote on 12/17/09 at 09:18:17: I have this nemesis who plays a strong closed Sicilian and an advance French. I want to trick him into 'my' Sicilian with the following move order: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 and get into a Kan. I very rarely see such a move order. Is this move order playable? Thanks There's a good discussion of this, somewhere on these boards, by the redoubtable TopNotch, but I can't remember where. Maybe if you message him, he can. The bottom line is that Black's game is not so easy after 3.d5.

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ham204 Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 50 Joined: 09/15/09	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #4 - 12/17/09 at 12:56:49	Post Tools	Print Post
	yes you're right, c3 does seem to get back to the French. Black's alternatives at this point are not too attractive


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #3 - 12/17/09 at 10:04:12	Post Tools	Print Post
	I don't get it.. You say yourself that your 'nemesis' plays the French advance. With your move order it is quite likely he will play 3. c3 and aim for the French advance. I predict no Kan.. As a side-note I don't think you can force White into an open sicilian (that is purely White's choice).

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bragesjo God Member Offline CCE at ICCF 2021 and CCM at ICCF 2023 Posts: 1839 Location: Eskilstuna Joined: 06/30/06 Gender:	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #2 - 12/17/09 at 09:52:18	Post Tools	Print Post
	The line is called Franco Benoni. White can either enter sicilian by Nf3 or play d5. Dont know theory on d5 since I like to play open sicilian as both colours.


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Stigma God Member Offline There is a crack in everything. Posts: 3277 Joined: 11/07/06 Gender:	Re: Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian Reply #1 - 12/17/09 at 09:51:30	Post Tools	Print Post
	You probably assume that he's not too comfortable in Benoni type positions then, because 3.d5 (the Franco-Benoni) is considered the strongest response and slightly better for White. It's not unplayable for Black though. There is also 3.c3 which can lead back to his Advance French with 3...d5 4.e5 or to a c3 Sicilian with 3...Nf6 4.e5. Black should equalize even when he is committed to both Nf6 and e6, but it's good to be aware of the transposition.

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ham204 Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 50 Joined: 09/15/09	Getting my Opponent into an Open Sicilian 12/17/09 at 09:18:17	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have this nemesis who plays a strong closed Sicilian and an advance French. I want to trick him into 'my' Sicilian with the following move order: 1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5 and get into a Kan. I very rarely see such a move order. Is this move order playable? Thanks


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