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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #69 - 02/26/11 at 12:05:43
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Nelson wrote on 02/25/11 at 17:51:33:
This book is verging on misleading for prospective new Dutch players even at sub 2000 level.

The line he gives in 2 Bg5 line is losing almost by force.

Why didn't he suggest the more "Leningrad" and sounder 2...g6 instead of 2...h6????

2...h6 will soon disappear from high level tournament practice if it hasn't already.

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You really think 2...h6 is that bad?!  Undecided

I still thinks it's highly playable, but just impractical over the board as the 'fumble factor' is higher on Black's end.

I agree that it's not a book for those new to the Dutch, but those who have been playing it for a few years or more may find some ideas to spice up their game, though you'll need to be strong enough to put some meat on the bones yourself.

Btw, on McD's 'illuminating descriptions', which I generally agree with, but I found a funny mystic example of the opposite on p76 "If Black hadn't played 16...e5 the knight on f6 would be hanging now.

The move in question was 16...e7-e5, so one would think that the f6-knight was well protected against any piece attacks...

Anyway, unlike many other new books from Everyman McD at least he tries to be succinct and to the point. Thus, so far I haven't noticed any Illustrative Games which goes into a long technical ending which the author hasn't bothered checking with an engine or the Nalimov base...
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #68 - 02/25/11 at 17:51:33
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This book is verging on misleading for prospective new Dutch players even at sub 2000 level.

The line he gives in 2 Bg5 line is losing almost by force.

Why didn't he suggest the more "Leningrad" and sounder 2...g6 instead of 2...h6????

2...h6 will soon disappear from high level tournament practice if it hasn't already.

Regards,

Nelson. Smiley
  
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Reply #67 - 02/21/11 at 17:07:44
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I have a question for Phil Adams;

You said something about needing a degree of 'scholarship' about Mcdonalds book.
I think the main problem people have with this book is not with Mcdonald's explanations, it's with his lack of coverage. When i received the book, i was suprised he didn't cover the 'Dangerous Weapons the Dutch' suggestions such as 1.d4 f5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.h3!? 
Furthermore, i don't think he covered 3.Bf4, or 2.Qd3 that much at all, i think there was one line. 
I also don't think he covered 1.d4 f5 2.Nh3!? as well.
I mean, you are right that his explanations are good, but i think if someone else was writing the book, say palliser, then he would have definetely covered that. In fact, that was my very first thought when i heard that everyman was announcing a new book. 
I also don't even want to think about whether or not his update is going to cover Marin's English Repertoire vs. the Dutch setup. 
Better be a damn good update in my opinion. 
Any ideas Phil?

  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #66 - 01/11/11 at 00:17:28
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As far as I can see the ideas 
a) 7...e6 8.Qc2 Nc6 9.Rd1 Qe7 10.d5
b) 7...e6 8.Qc2 Qe7 9.e4
and c) 7...e6 8.b3 and 9.Ba3

are still going strong.
  

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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #65 - 01/10/11 at 22:27:56
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[quote author=407C71446671677160677B7226252424140 link=1263558771/33#33 date=1287445661]According to the contents page, McDonald covers both 7...c6 and 7...Nc6 in the main line. Good decision.  8-)

I wasn't aware of the 8.Qc2!? e5 9.de5 de5 10.Rd1 idea against the 7...Nc6 Lenningrad, which was covered in the extract. I am quite tempted to add this book to my shopping cart. ;)

Edit: Completely unrelated but why aren't my smileys showing up?  :o[/quote]

Has anyone some experience with the idea 7... e6 ? Some time ago I had that idea in conjunction with some Hort-Antoshin ingredients too (flexible pawns with the idea e7-e6-e5). Then, if I remember that rightly, it was given in "dazzle your opponents Dutch". I only had glimpse of an eye on it. 
As far as I remember the idea is to discourage White from the push d4-d5 which would be answered with e6-e5 entering King's Indian grounds. Black will continue with Qd8-e7 and a well timed e6-e5 (perhaps) The idea doesn't looks entirely nuts.
Are there new ideas on it?
  

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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #64 - 12/04/10 at 17:18:43
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Raspje wrote on 12/04/10 at 16:41:41:


You mention a book by De la Riva; could you give the full title, please? Thanks.


See e.g.

http://www.tiendadeajedrez.com/epages/tiendadeajedrezcom.sf/?ObjectPath=/Shops/d...

A good book in its time, and still not without interest.
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #63 - 12/04/10 at 16:41:41
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Phil Adams wrote on 12/03/10 at 12:46:26:
I am slightly puzzled at the negative comments on McDonald's latest Dutch book. McDonald may not be a "superstar" author, but despite being rather prolific he has maintained a consistently high standard of work, with his main strength lying in the quality of his explanations, which are generally very useful for non-master players, or indeed for anyone wanting to get a quick handle on an opening before starting to study it in more detail. His latest book on the Dutch is no exception in my opinion. 

He has played the Dutch himself (over fifty times in the standard databases), which is always an encouraging sign of the probable quality of an opening book. This is his third book on the Dutch by the way.

I think this book is particularly interesting and potentially very useful for Dutch fans in that the two mainline repertoire options given differ from Kindermann and Pedersen, who both confined themselves to the modern 7...Qe8 system. There is some overlap with Beim in that both he and McDonald cover the 7...c6 system, but instead of showing the solid but rather tedious 8 d5 e5 9 dxe6 Bxe6 McDonald confines his coverage to the more combative (albeit probably inferior) 8 d5 Bd7 (admittedly also mentioned in Beim).

Finally McDonald offers 7...Nc6 and if 8 d5 Na5 (instead of the "kill-or-be-killed" 8...Ne5 covered in De la Riva’s book), when play can become similar to the Panno/Yugoslav King's Indian. To my knowledge this is the first time that this has been a repertoire recommendation, although McDonald also covered it briefly in "The Dutch Leningrad" and there also is some material in older books by Ehlvest and Bellin and of course ECO. I have never played it, but I’ve always been interested in this line, ever since I came across the old game Benko-Tal (attached, with brief notes).

Those seeking Avukh- or Marin-type coverage will be disappointed. But, be honest, how many of us actually need that degree of “scholarship” ?

So, I am pleased to have this book, but I urge potential readers to have a look at it themselves then make up their own minds as to its usefulness for them, and not be swayed too much by the opinion of others - me included.


You mention a book by De la Riva; could you give the full title, please? Thanks.
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #62 - 12/04/10 at 15:03:16
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Phil Adams wrote on 12/03/10 at 12:46:26:
I am slightly puzzled at the negative comments on McDonald's latest Dutch book. McDonald may not be a "superstar" author, but despite being rather prolific he has maintained a consistently high standard of work, with his main strength lying in the quality of his explanations,

Thanks for enabling me to compare McDonald's remarks with those of Taimanov (1980) and Schwarz (1964). Everything up to 16...Nb3 is just copied, except the two games in the notes which are taken from a database. And even that choice is biased - where is Vaulin-Diu, RUSch, Elista 2001 ? Too much work to figure out the transposition perhaps?
You have confirmed my suspicion that the book is as superficial as the one on the KG. Which is a pity, as McDonald's analysis of the French Tarrasch is truely excellent.
  

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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #61 - 12/04/10 at 12:56:15
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Thanks for the game, quite enjoyable!

I believe the criticism is more directed toward the publisher's blurbs which seemed to promise more than what was delivered.
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #60 - 12/03/10 at 12:46:26
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I am slightly puzzled at the negative comments on McDonald's latest Dutch book. McDonald may not be a "superstar" author, but despite being rather prolific he has maintained a consistently high standard of work, with his main strength lying in the quality of his explanations, which are generally very useful for non-master players, or indeed for anyone wanting to get a quick handle on an opening before starting to study it in more detail. His latest book on the Dutch is no exception in my opinion. 

He has played the Dutch himself (over fifty times in the standard databases), which is always an encouraging sign of the probable quality of an opening book. This is his third book on the Dutch by the way.

I think this book is particularly interesting and potentially very useful for Dutch fans in that the two mainline repertoire options given differ from Kindermann and Pedersen, who both confined themselves to the modern 7...Qe8 system. There is some overlap with Beim in that both he and McDonald cover the 7...c6 system, but instead of showing the solid but rather tedious 8 d5 e5 9 dxe6 Bxe6 McDonald confines his coverage to the more combative (albeit probably inferior) 8 d5 Bd7 (admittedly also mentioned in Beim).

Finally McDonald offers 7...Nc6 and if 8 d5 Na5 (instead of the "kill-or-be-killed" 8...Ne5 covered in De la Riva’s book), when play can become similar to the Panno/Yugoslav King's Indian. To my knowledge this is the first time that this has been a repertoire recommendation, although McDonald also covered it briefly in "The Dutch Leningrad" and there also is some material in older books by Ehlvest and Bellin and of course ECO. I have never played it, but I’ve always been interested in this line, ever since I came across the old game Benko-Tal (attached, with brief notes).

Those seeking Avukh- or Marin-type coverage will be disappointed. But, be honest, how many of us actually need that degree of “scholarship” ?

So, I am pleased to have this book, but I urge potential readers to have a look at it themselves then make up their own minds as to its usefulness for them, and not be swayed too much by the opinion of others - me included.
  

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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #59 - 12/03/10 at 03:16:03
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Thanks, Winawer77, you seem to have encapsulated the tenor of Hansen's column quite nicely. I will await a newer, more complete offering before putting my hand in my pocket down the road.

Meanwhile, it is good to see GM Williams contributing monthly now on this site!
  
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Reply #58 - 12/02/10 at 23:36:43
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MNb wrote on 12/02/10 at 22:19:43:
winawer77 wrote on 12/02/10 at 16:19:50:
Kindermann is still the king of the Leningrad repertoire book, with Beim in second place. Nothing else that I've seen even comes close.

You haven't seen Pedersen or you don't think too high of his book?


Yeah, I've seen it. Used to own a copy, even. Its good, far better than McDonald's effort, but still falls short of Beim and Kindermann.
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #57 - 12/02/10 at 22:19:43
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winawer77 wrote on 12/02/10 at 16:19:50:
Kindermann is still the king of the Leningrad repertoire book, with Beim in second place. Nothing else that I've seen even comes close.

You haven't seen Pedersen or you don't think too high of his book?
  

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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #56 - 12/02/10 at 16:19:50
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Bowen wrote on 12/02/10 at 05:32:33:
Hmmm, 54 posts on this one book and the conclusion is that it is one of McDonald's weakest ones...mediocre at best!?


Avoid it if you are rated 2000+. Or probably even 1800+. It is only a repertoire book in the very loosest sense of the word. I think "a collection of themed Dutch games with light notes" is much more accurate. Note the word highlighted in bold, its there for a reason.

Bowen wrote on 12/01/10 at 05:29:04:
On Chesscafe Carsten Hansen reviews this book and gives it a very low recommendation. He suggests that the promised theoretical coverage is relatively poor and the book would be best suited for players up to 2000 as an introduction to the opening. He gives it 2 stars out of a possible 5. Anyone with a copy of the book care to comment?


According to Hansen's rating system two stars (out of four) is actually classified as 'Useful'. I'm not sure I would agree with that when you consider the alternative sources on the same opening. The book is obviously aimed at a sub-2000 audience, so it clearly does not suit my needs. But even so, as TalJechin stated in an earlier post - "but there's a limit to how little you can say and still be worthwhile reading...". That pretty much sums it up - all the descriptions are very generic plan-based explanations, the amount of actual analysis within the notes really could not have been smaller.

Kindermann is still the king of the Leningrad repertoire book, with Beim in second place. Nothing else that I've seen even comes close.
  
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Re: Everyman announces book on the Leningrad
Reply #55 - 12/02/10 at 05:32:33
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Hmmm, 54 posts on this one book and the conclusion is that it is one of McDonald's weakest ones...mediocre at best!?
  
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