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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #7 - 01/18/10 at 11:00:33
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VikingForce wrote on 01/15/10 at 13:31:01:


15.a4 is played more frequently but 15.b3 looks just as challenging and makes perfect sense in my opinion. Anyone know why the absolute majority of top players avoid this move?


Having played the Breyer as my main defence for eight years now, I face 15.b3 roughly as frequently as 15.a4. Right now, as the other posters have noted, Black seems fine against 15.b3, so 15.a4 looks more challenging at the moment. A small innovation for White in the 15.b3 line, or for Black in the 15.a4 line, may be enough to change that evaluation.

I remember Leko's instructive win over Beliavsky back in 2002 (with 15.b3) causing some people to claim that Leko had refuted the Breyer. One year later, I was asked by a surprised spectator why I played the Breyer, saying something like "don't you know about Leko's 15.b3?" Later on, Black found new resources, and suddenly 15.b3 wasn't dangerous anymore. Evaluations change, and with them the popularity of the different lines. Still, we are talking about very small changes, which people tend to blow up into statements like "the Breyer is refuted." If you prefer 15.b3 to 15.a4, I'd say: Play it!
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #6 - 01/17/10 at 10:00:28
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For theory on 15 b3 - this line has been heavily annotated on this site - I think Mamedyranov defended the d5 line quite a bit.
Short's idea was something he didn't repeat v leko a few years ago.
Ultimately, 15..rc8 is pretty solid but passive a bit like the Breyer in general.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #5 - 01/16/10 at 23:12:04
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Daniel wrote on 01/15/10 at 17:53:54:
look at avrukh games.  His method with Rc8, Nb6, and c6 seems quite acceptable for black.


15.b3 became quite popular as White found resources against Black's response 15...d5 that made the line look good for awhile.  I think Black has managed to equalize here.  Later, though, Black found that 15...Rc8 was an even better option, and Black's game looks fairly straightforward here.  This is the line that seems to have put 15.b3 on the shelf for the moment.  I seem to recall that Short played a very instructive game with the Black pieces that shows how to combat White's attempts.
  

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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #4 - 01/16/10 at 22:38:07
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ANDREW BRETT wrote on 01/16/10 at 07:56:20:
15...d5 is a heavy theoretical line where Black is ok (just !!)


OK, but even then as you note black is just ok. What I've noticed surprisingly is that players either play 15...d5 or they have no clue at all of how to meet b3 and play 15...c5?!

Where can I find some references to the theory after 15...d5 for white which you mentionend??
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #3 - 01/16/10 at 22:34:06
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Daniel wrote on 01/15/10 at 17:53:54:
look at avrukh games.  His method with Rc8, Nb6, and c6 seems quite acceptable for black.


I saw some of them and it looks acceptable for black.
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #2 - 01/16/10 at 07:56:20
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15...d5 is a heavy theoretical line where Black is ok (just !!)
  
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Re: Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
Reply #1 - 01/15/10 at 17:53:54
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look at avrukh games.  His method with Rc8, Nb6, and c6 seems quite acceptable for black.
  
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Ruy Lopez - Breyer 15.b3 instead of 15.a4
01/15/10 at 13:31:01
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15.a4 is played more frequently but 15.b3 looks just as challenging and makes perfect sense in my opinion. Anyone know why the absolute majority of top players avoid this move?
  
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