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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #24 - 06/10/11 at 16:06:33
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LostTactic wrote on 06/10/11 at 14:10:14:
BPaulsen wrote on 06/10/11 at 06:50:10:
Aside from the Khalifman series, this is the only other book I regard as a must-have.

I'm looking forward to it.


Would you say the Khalifman series is better than QC's Grandmaster Repertoire series? Also does Khalifman do updates to his series like QC?

Sorry for going off topic, but I'm considering buying the Khalifman series.


QC is great, but I'm biased in favor of Khalifman's style - I want everything covered, even if it means losing out on explanations. I can figure out the details of why something is labelled "+=, =, =+" myself, so I value just getting pointed in the right direction.

Plus, given I always do my own independent work on the related lines he covers, he's only adding to it. He doesn't update his series like QC does theirs when problem lines come up, but as far as I'm concerned he doesn't need to - I can (and have) figured out the majority of the solutions well ahead of time myself, so I just want masses of variations with an opinion of where they stand.

QC is great, and does a good job balancing explanation with lines, but like I said above - I prefer tons of variations, and forcing myself to work out why something is evaluated a certain way instead of having it explained to me.

Different strokes for different folks. They're both great series in their own ways. There's no doubt both have considerably enriched theory.
  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #23 - 06/10/11 at 15:53:52
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Khalifman does indeed have several editions either out, or in the works, so yes he is updating some of his lines. 

My main complaint with Khalifman was that many of his lines were straight out of ECO, even ending in the same place! But that also hints at the strength of his recommendations. Khalifman does have quite a few original ideas, but most of them are "tried and true", as befitting a deeply conceived repertoire.

I really like the GM Repertoire series, but Khalifman's work is probably just as good without the glossy production values of Quality Chess.

Btw, I agree with BPaulsen that Watson's Play the French is just about essential for anyone who plays the French. From either side.
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #22 - 06/10/11 at 14:10:14
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BPaulsen wrote on 06/10/11 at 06:50:10:
Aside from the Khalifman series, this is the only other book I regard as a must-have.

I'm looking forward to it.


Would you say the Khalifman series is better than QC's Grandmaster Repertoire series? Also does Khalifman do updates to his series like QC?

Sorry for going off topic, but I'm considering buying the Khalifman series.
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #21 - 06/10/11 at 11:15:01
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I want to see main lines, particularly the Poison Pawn since it was the lifeblood of the series in 1st and 2nd edition.

I would be severely disappointed with the Guimard, and 6...Qa5 Winawer. Sure, those've gotten more attention of late, but Play the French has always been about throwing down the gauntlet, and forcing white to try his absolute hardest to get anywhere, at least in my opinion.

If I had my way I'd want to see:

3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 with 7...cxd4/8...Bc5, 4. Bg5 Bb4

and 3. Nc3 Bb4 with 7...cxd4 (Poison Pawn)

3. Nd2 c5 with 4...Qxd5

and

3...Nf6 with 11...Qc7 (3...Be7 is fine with me as well)

I'll be buying it even if there are other lines chosen, though.  Grin
  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #20 - 06/10/11 at 11:05:43
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I'm really looking forward to seeing what Watson covers against 3.Nd2 and 3.Nc3. My guess is 3...Be7, 3...Nc6 and 3...c5 against the former and 3...Nc6, 3...Nf6 (McCutcheon, ...Be7 Steinitz) and the Winawer with 6...Qa5 against the latter. But in any case it should be a fantastic book.
  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
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Aside from the Khalifman series, this is the only other book I regard as a must-have.

I'm looking forward to it.
  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
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TN wrote on 06/10/11 at 01:07:32:
ErictheRed wrote on 06/09/11 at 23:52:42:
Anonymous, what does he recommend after 1.e4 e6 2.b3?


1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 Nf6 and 3...de4 would be my guess. 



Sorry, I was just kidding.
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
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ErictheRed wrote on 06/09/11 at 23:52:42:
Anonymous, what does he recommend after 1.e4 e6 2.b3?


1.e4 e6 2.b3 d5 3.Bb2 Nf6 and 3...de4 would be my guess. 

  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
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Anonymous, what does he recommend after 1.e4 e6 2.b3?
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #15 - 06/09/11 at 20:57:26
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Everyman has now announced Play the French 4th edition! It is very interesting to see that Watson is going to update many lines he considered in the previous editions that are not part of the repertoire this time around and i'm curious  what that's going to be like. 

http://www.everymanchess.com/chess/books/Play_the_French%2C_4th_edition
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #14 - 05/23/10 at 17:21:53
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7...f5 is not the PP variation but the "old" line ... can be a PP line if Black plays: 8.Qg3 Ne7 9.Qxg7! Rg8 10.Qxh7 cxd4 ....many ideass interesting in this line and one of them is Keres's idaa: 11.Ne2...I have recorded one recent game from now world champion Anand: Anand-Hansen,Danemark 2003

It's true some authors (among them is Short in small book about French) adviced to play it for Black, ..., Short with a strange argument: "6..Qc7 we saw revival of this 70's years line. Advantage of this strategy is many has forgotten how to reply! that's why I advice it firmly"...but only one not so long analysis was given with 7..f5 about main game Hjartarson-Nikolic Tliburg 1988 (quote from Short's "La Defence Francaise" -Ed. Echecs International - ISBN 1 870816 03 X)

Watson dealed about it more (PF 3: saying "used in 40's and  used 20 years later by Botvinnik and then 20 years later mainly by norvegian and swedish players" ) .... not so much analysis, I agree,...despite historical value mainly about Botvinnik's work (was Botvinnik strategy in first game vs Tal in world championship, Pushkin theater Moscow 1960)

I play the oo Winawer and had to play McCutcheon too...because of the move order...1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 (french style) 3.Bg5 and here Black can play a Veresov, but I like French too much 3...e6 4.e4 Bb4 5.e5...hence I am interested with an updated book about McCutcheon.




  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #13 - 05/23/10 at 09:07:25
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Well no doubt a few, but the nature of sidelines does tend to mean that their theory doesn't move terribly fast. So still a genuinely useful book to have I think.
(just check with a database or a sub here for more recent things.).

I'd guess that the 3.. Be7 most likely to have seen real changes. Or those 3.. Nf6 4 e5 back up lines perhaps.

Can't see him covering the Mac really. Really too much to do that and the Winaver in one book and he seems to rather like the latter Smiley
(there were very good reasons for covering the lines he gave as back up lines.).
  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #12 - 05/23/10 at 05:57:44
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I'd like to see a 4th edition but meanwhile...

I'm considering to take up Winawer 7. ...Qa5 from Moskalenko and buying PTF 3rd edition for Winawer sidelines, Exchange variation, KIA, etc. and perhaps Tarrasch Be7 and Advance, too. Are there some variations where it's too outdated?

  
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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #11 - 03/22/10 at 15:19:23
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If there will be a 4th Edition Watson must include  a repertoire for the MacCutcheon players. Wheter he likes it or not. I am sure he CAN find something interesting and resilent for black. I know he has shied from the MacCutcheon because of the 6.Be3 variation. But I have not heard of any refutation of the MacCutcheon so far so hopfully a possible 4th Edition could include the MaCutcheon variation. It will in some way "complete" his work on the french defense. (almost....you have the classical variation to be covered also and the Rubinstein and possibly some more system).
  

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Re: Play the French 4th edition?
Reply #10 - 03/02/10 at 17:33:56
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I am not so sure about a White advantage after 10.Ne2. I once had this position on the board and wasn´t able to demonstrate something after the further 10... 0-0 11.c3 b6 12.Nf4 Qd7 13.a4 Ba6 14.Bb5 Nec6 15.h4 Bxb5 16.axb5 Na5 17.h5 and now 17... Qf7 instead of the weak 17... Nb3? given by Khalifman. Black seems to have a solid position here. I notice a recent game Zude-Braun was even won by Black.
  
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