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Poll Question: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra gambit ?
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Taylor defense (Gallagher,Palliser a6,d6,Nc6,Bg4)    
  37 (27.4%)
Eliskases defense delayed Nf6(Be7,Bd7,Nc6,Rc8)    
  7 (5.2%)
Finegold defense(e6,d6,a6,Nf6,Nbd7,Be7)    
  10 (7.4%)
The siberian trap system (Nc6,Nf6,e6,Qc7,Ng4)    
  8 (5.9%)
Chicago defense(e6,d6,a6-b5,Ra7-d7)    
  4 (3.0%)
Early Bc5 (Watson,handbook tricky chess openings)    
  0 (0.0%)
g6- setup.    
  5 (3.7%)
Nge7 Variation(e6,a6,Nc6,Nge7,f6)    
  10 (7.4%)
Morra-declined 3...d3    
  5 (3.7%)
Ah why bother ? I offer the c3-sicilian. (3..Nf6)    
  41 (30.4%)
Other    
  8 (5.9%)




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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #9 - 04/08/10 at 07:44:20
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Chess_Addict wrote on 04/07/10 at 21:47:43:
I like to play cxd4 and ...g6 for practical reasons:
a) I can (and do) play the same positions against 2.c3
b) when you play a gambit you hope your opponent takes the pawn and gives you all the initiative: by playing something positional the psychological momentum is clearly on the black side.


I actually recommended that to a student the other day; combine 2.c3 g6 and 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 g6 for simplicity. I used the 2.c3 coverage in "Chess Openings for Black, Explained" as a base. 

One thing I've wondered though: If White is determined to gambit the pawn, how long can he keep it going without recapturing on d4? Moves like Nf3, Bc4, 0-0, e5, Re1 are available. Or even h4!? if White delays castling. ...g6 is not the best defence in the Morra accepted, so I don't think Black wants to take on c3 unless there is some specific reason.
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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
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I like to play cxd4 and ...g6 for practical reasons:
a) I can (and do) play the same positions against 2.c3
b) when you play a gambit you hope your opponent takes the pawn and gives you all the initiative: by playing something positional the psychological momentum is clearly on the black side.
  
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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #7 - 02/26/10 at 01:10:13
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I browsed through the pages of this section, but frankly I find it easier to consult my database and dig up the analysis stored in it. But it seems that there is little interest for it. So I will shut up for the time being as well.
  

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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #6 - 02/25/10 at 02:18:22
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Previous major threads with Morra analysis:

a6/b5 lines (MNb, Dji and others)
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1159716408/all

Taimanov style (e6,a6,Nc6,Nge7)
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1178452940

Ben_Hague - Uberdeker game (6...a6 line) with analysis:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1154029852/all

Eliskases/Bd7 line:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1198544843

Various lines:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1046385839/all

I'm sure there are more out there that I didn't find/remember. Seeing that MNb was involved in most of these, maybe you can point to a few more? It looks like I've totally hi-jacked this thread, so I will shut up now!
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Reply #5 - 02/25/10 at 02:01:58
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To reach the Eliskases defence, after 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 there are numerous move orders: Black can start with Nc6, a6 and e6, hinting that he might aim for the Siberian trap; with Nc6, d6 and a6 Black might play the line with ...Nf6 and Bg4. A third order is Nc6/d6/e6/Be7. 

If White plays all the standard moves (Nf3, Bc4, 0-0, Qe2) it really doesn't matter, so decision must be made according to which sidelines White is "allowed" to try (and also which Open Sicilian black plays, since White may choose a move order with 2.Nf3 and 3.d4). 

In particular lines with an early Bg5 (before black has gotten ...Be7 in) or e5 can be annoying. Alex Lenderman recommended some of these lines in his lectures for www.chess.fm, but Mark Ginsburg presents some answer to them on his blog, see

http://nezhmet.wordpress.com/2008/10/18/the-fabulous-00s-chessfm-and-handling-th...

http://nezhmet.wordpress.com/2009/09/26/the-fabulous-00s-the-smith-morra-again/

and

http://go2.wordpress.com/?id=725X1342&site=nezhmet.wordpress.com&url=http%3A%2F%...

Ginsburg's main recommendation is 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6!, when 7.e5!? was Lenderman's suggestion. But note that this move order is not that great for e6 Sicilian (Kan, Taimanov etc.) players, since 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.c3 avoids it.
  

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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #4 - 02/24/10 at 01:49:28
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Bd7 in the Eliskases is a "half move" (the bishop may or may not be useful there and often goes to e6 or g4 later) to delay Nf6 and avoid White's Bg5 pin. White often ends up playing a half move like a3, a4 or Bf4 (allowing ...e6-e5 with tempo) himself in response. Black usually plays Nf6 when White has wasted time with his bishop, and ...e5 to set up a Boleslavsky structure.

In practice Black must be very careful of course, White always has lots of tactical tricks in the Morra. But theoretically it always seems like White is trying to equalize. There is one line given by Burgess where White gets total control of d5 and is supposed to have enough compensation for the pawn, but Black can get interesting play even there.

I will post some links to previous threads and web pages on this line (and the most accurate move order to reach it) later.
  

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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #3 - 02/24/10 at 01:44:32
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In the past Dji and I have had some fun trying to prove that White has sufficient compensation. We might have succeeded after 1.e4 c5 2.d4 cxd4 3.c3 dxc3 4.Nxc3 a6 5.Bc4 e6 6.Nf3 b5 7.Bb3 and 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 Nf6 8.Bf4 Bg4 9.Qb3.

I find 4...Nc6 5.Nf3 e6 6.Bc4 a6 7.0-0 Nge7 8.Bg5 f6 9.Be3 b5 10.Bb3 troublesome, especially if Black finds a way to deal with the Nd5 sacs Dji and I have investigated.

Edit: if some threads have disappeared I have save most of the analysis. The defence Stigma mentions in the next post is also sound.
  

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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
Reply #2 - 02/23/10 at 23:52:08
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Thanks guys for your remarks. I have made some changes to the poll. Yes The Eliskases you talk about is with a delayed Nf6. You have played it for some years so I guess you recommend this system. In the book Finegold defense . A defense very close to Eliskases defense is used as an alternative when white choses to play a setup with a4 after black has played a6. In that case the black knight goes to c6 instead of going to d7. And blacks light square bishop goes to d7 instead of b7. The difference here is that here black plays an Eliskases setup with an early knight on f6.

what kind of game do you get with Eliskases dfense ? Are you under heavy pressure as black and what about the counterattacking chances in this opening ?

I definitly think its is cool to accept the gambit and fight the Morra . Its a pawn after all. If you can get away with it...why not ? Its a nice feeling when the white players desperatly start to frown searching for a win that does not exist  Smiley


A review of the book Finegold defense by John Watson
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http://www.chess.co.uk/twic/jwatson25.html
  

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Re: What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra
Reply #1 - 02/23/10 at 22:56:19
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You should include an 'Other' option in the poll to account for lines not mentioned individually.

Personally I think the 3...dc3 4.Nc3 Nc6 5.Nf3 d6 6.Bc4 a6 variation (is this the Taylor Variation?) and the 4...e6 5.Nf3 a6 variation both give Black a slight advantage, but in practice I sometimes play 3...Nf6 because my opponents never seem to be comfortable or booked up in an Alapin Sicilian, and resultantly I often gain a small edge out of the opening without having to navigate the tactics of the Smith-Morra.
  

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What is the "best" line to fight the Smith-Morra g
02/23/10 at 22:32:21
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Personally I prefer the Finegold defense. Taylor defense i also very interesting. I also must say that the book about the Finegold defense is a very nice reading. I will discuss and show some position that can be discussed later on while more people leave their opinions about this.

  

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