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Poll closed Question: Who will win the Anand - Topalov Match?
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Topalov +3    
  1 (1.5%)
Topalov +2    
  9 (13.6%)
Topalov +1    
  8 (12.1%)
Topalov after tie break    
  1 (1.5%)
Anand after tie break    
  4 (6.1%)
Anand +1    
  25 (37.9%)
Anand +2    
  14 (21.2%)
Anand +3    
  4 (6.1%)




Total votes: 66
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Re: WC Match Anand - Topalov
Reply #179 - 05/12/10 at 03:01:12
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Smyslov_Fan wrote on 05/11/10 at 20:57:43:
When you throw in financial considerations, the 12 game match is still better than a tournament for deciding the WC.


Yep and that is why I don't complain too much. Moreover we have seen more title matches the last few years than between 1995 and 2000.
  

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Reply #178 - 05/11/10 at 20:57:43
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Part of what made the Kasparov-Karpov matches was special was their very unfairness. The challenger had to win the match by game 24. It's only because of that stipulation that the last game of those matches featured such nerve-wracking finales.  If they'd had tie-breaks, they wouldn't have been quite so tense.

I definitely prefer tie-breaks, and I would like longer matches. But statistically, a short match is as good as a long match for determining which player is better. When you throw in financial considerations, the 12 game match is still better than a tournament for deciding the WC.
  
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Reply #177 - 05/11/10 at 20:10:25
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Tripler64 wrote on 05/11/10 at 17:02:07:
That was a pretty hard-fought match - Schlechter was a great player, but maybe too modest for his own good.

Sure it was, but it still shows my point: the rule that the titleholder keeps the title if such a short match is drawn is unfair. As such it was a travesty, not because of the games. These were great. So were the games of Anand-Topalov. Even if I root for Anand I simply think Topalov should have had the opportunity to test Anand's stamina a little more. The way Topalov committed chess suicide in this last game does not feel entirely good.
I have always thought 24 games ideal. See the legendary K-K matches.
  

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Reply #176 - 05/11/10 at 19:59:06
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I don't like danailov like any other guy and Vishy seems a great guy to me and I rooted for him but cm'on!! San Luis was not a swiss tournament, it was a DRR, be serious and topy there played super chess

This match was much more exciting than vishi-kramnik and my fears that the bulgarians would do crazy things didn't come true
  
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Reply #175 - 05/11/10 at 18:24:45
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I knew it;

Anand = unlimited power!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiCznGaex2c
  

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Reply #174 - 05/11/10 at 17:53:46
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Congratulations to Viswanathan Anand, the most classy world champion ever.
  

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Reply #173 - 05/11/10 at 17:05:11
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I know I'll be seeing the Lasker defense more now as White, but this game didn't convince me that it's very dangerous.

The game convinced me that Anand is extremely dangerous in almost any position! I thought ...e5 and f5 was a mistake, then he followed up with h5 and g5!!! WOW!!!


Anand showed that nice guys can finish first sometimes.  Congratulations to Vishy!
  
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Reply #172 - 05/11/10 at 17:02:07
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The Lasker QGD is playable... for a draw. I think it's a bit underrated. 

Regarding Lasker-Schlechter, originally it was going to be 20 games (10 in Vienna, 10 in Berlin) but Berlin dropped out for financial reasons. That was a pretty hard-fought match - Schlechter was a great player, but maybe too modest for his own good. 

Anyway, Anand is champion again! Justice is done!
  
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Reply #171 - 05/11/10 at 16:58:44
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Meat wrote on 05/11/10 at 12:18:33:
gewgaw wrote on 05/11/10 at 11:57:19:
I sense, that Topalov will feel the power of Anand´s dark side. 
Go Anand!


I wouldn't say Lasker's Defence in the QGD is especially well known for it's dark side power.  Smiley


lol - if we were back in the 90s Batsford would have published asap "Winning with the QGD Lasker Variation"!

@Hoember: I have briefly considered the Lasker with the idea to enter a Stonewall set-up. It is rather easy to understand, but lots of exchanges happen soon - so maybe a bit drawish.. Currently I don't play it as I'm afraid of early deviations (you see I'm not a proper QGD player)..

Congrats to Anand! - well deserved and I'm happy he got a lucky break after all the missed chances! Smiley
  

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Reply #170 - 05/11/10 at 16:47:09
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Congratulations.
I liked the Catalan games very much.

Is the QGD/Lasker Defence playable?  Wink
  

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Reply #169 - 05/11/10 at 16:36:03
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Anand wins final game and retains the title!
  
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Re: WC Match Anand - Topalov
Reply #168 - 05/11/10 at 16:30:07
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MNb wrote on 05/11/10 at 16:13:36:
I always thought Lasker-Schlechter a travesty. The rule that the titleholder keeps his title if the match is drawn is only acceptable in a match of at least 20 games. With less games the titleholder has way too much interest in playing drawing chess.

That's a good point, but to me, that just means we should go back to 20- or 24-game matches. Tiebreaks are definitely unacceptable.
  
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Reply #167 - 05/11/10 at 16:14:07
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Oh how ironic...in this computer age of ultra-sharp lines, the only win to come with the Black pieces in this World Championship match will be in the Lasker QGD variation.
  
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Reply #166 - 05/11/10 at 16:13:36
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I always thought Lasker-Schlechter a travesty. The rule that the titleholder keeps his title if the match is drawn is only acceptable in a match of at least 20 games. With less games the titleholder has way too much interest in playing drawing chess.
  

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Reply #165 - 05/11/10 at 15:57:32
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I think the format is an absolute travesty; each championship is not a separate event with no ties to the previous result, it's a match between the incumbent champion and a challenger. It should simply be that if the match is tied then the incumbent retains the title. I can't accept a tie-break winner as the real champion.


I agree on that too. A WC by blitz or 5min game is a tragedy of the great minds of FIDE. And in my view, I do not recognize Topalov champion in San Luis because a WC must be found in a match and not in a Swiss tournament were someone can play against country players and friends or win a game because some other player made a terrible blunder. 
Now it´s the end of toillet confusions and copyright nonsense of live transmissions of WC. 
Anand will play Carlsen next time  Smiley
  

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