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Question: 2010: Greatest French Player Ever!

Bareev

1 (1.0%)

Botvinnik

20 (20.2%)

Korchnoi

31 (31.3%)

Uhlmann

27 (27.3%)

Shirov

0 (0.0%)

Volkov

1 (1.0%)

Nimzovich

5 (5.1%)

Rubinstein

1 (1.0%)

Ulibin

0 (0.0%)

Gurevich

1 (1.0%)

Petrosian

3 (3.0%)

Morozevich

4 (4.0%)

Vaganian

2 (2.0%)

Other?

3 (3.0%)

Total votes: 99

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C00-C19: greatest French Player of all time? (Read 16212 times)

Patzerovich YaBB Newbies Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 9 Joined: 04/11/10	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #13 - 04/11/10 at 18:38:46	Post Tools	Print Post
	I like Uhlmann's French.


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FM Dikkie Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 75 Location: Veenendaal Joined: 02/20/08 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #12 - 04/11/10 at 11:32:48	Post Tools	Print Post
	Short played 178 games of French with black according to megabase 2010, against top level, and scored above 50% as black. Quite impressing I guess...


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Bogojump Full Member Offline Chesspub Posts: 121 Location: Europe Joined: 03/26/08	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #11 - 04/10/10 at 23:52:25	Post Tools	Print Post
	The greatest frenchplayer does not have to mean the BEST player. So that should not be mixed up. So according to the definition which player who knew most about the french and who loved the opening most I vote for Uhlman. He really sticked to the french and was kinda connected to it by everyone. He also wrote a great book about it (Winning with the french). Botvinnik and the other players played a lot of other openings also. Of todays players who often play the french one could mention. Ulibin,Gleizerov,Kiriakov,Gurevich,Morozevich,E.Berg,Rustemov,among others.

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ghenghisclown God Member Offline Pedicare Vestri Latin Posts: 1022 Location: HollyWeird Joined: 07/19/06 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #10 - 04/10/10 at 21:43:58	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yeah I think Gurevich should have been there, along with they guy that has wins against Kasparov, Tiviakov, Anand, Svidler, and Topalov - that is, Dreev. Given the list, Bareev is gotta be up there among the best, glad he was included.

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FM Dikkie Junior Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 75 Location: Veenendaal Joined: 02/20/08 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #9 - 04/10/10 at 19:11:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	Where is Nigel Short? I definitely liked some of his games. He even wrote a book about it!


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #8 - 04/10/10 at 18:45:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	If the criterium is doing well on a high level (or I can't explain why Timman is left out; a better player than a whole bunch in this list) I think Ulibin should be replaced by either Maroczy or Psakhis. On average Maroczy, Psakhis and Timman met far stronger opposition than Glek, Drasko and Farago. This is relevant, because despite of the overall good results I find: Glek scored 40% against players with ELO 2500+; Farago 39% and Drasko only 33%. Ulibin scored 42%. Timman's 42% is disappointing, but Gurevich and Psakhis did significantly better, so for them a case can be made.

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LeeRoth God Member Offline I love ChessPublishing.com! Posts: 1520 Joined: 10/22/05	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #7 - 04/10/10 at 17:12:15	Post Tools	Print Post
	As for who may be missing, Farago, Drasko and Glek all have more than 300 French games in MegaBase.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #6 - 04/10/10 at 15:38:39	Post Tools	Print Post
	The selection wasn't entirely random. It was based on votes in the initial poll about 4 yrs ago.


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #5 - 04/10/10 at 15:35:40	Post Tools	Print Post
	Oops! Btw, I have the same problem with erasers on pencils, Bowen! I'll correct the Volkov entry.


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Bowen Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 147 Joined: 07/01/09	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #4 - 04/10/10 at 11:24:27	Post Tools	Print Post
	Chess_Addict wrote on 04/10/10 at 11:02:02: Volkov seems to be on the list twice... Maybe facing it as White...and then playing it as Black?!?! Or. as a famous quote relates, "People make mistakes, that's why pencils have erasers." Unfortunately, I always go through my erasers long before the pencil is half-way gone!


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Chess_Addict Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 163 Location: Italia!!!!!!!!! Joined: 01/17/08 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #3 - 04/10/10 at 11:02:02	Post Tools	Print Post
	Volkov seems to be on the list twice...


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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #2 - 04/10/10 at 04:21:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	Yeah, I did think about Maroczy, but he certainly was never as good as Rubinstein or the others on the list. Lasker and Timman? Well, for the same reason I didn't include Karpov on the list, they aren't best known as French players even if they did play a few key games. I also didn't include Carlsen! Of course, any list isn't going to satisfy everyone. There are serious candidates who aren't on the list, including Mikhail Gurevich. If there's enough clamor for any one player, I will add that player.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10778 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: Who was the greatest French Player of all time? Reply #1 - 04/10/10 at 03:07:50	Post Tools	Print Post
	What about pre-war Lasker? Maroczy? Timman?

	The book had the effect good books usually have: it made the stupids more stupid, the intelligent more intelligent and the other thousands of readers remained unchanged. GC Lichtenberg
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Smyslov_Fan YaBB Moderator Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	C00-C19: greatest French Player of all time? 04/10/10 at 03:03:01	Post Tools	Print Post
	Errm, French Defense, not nationality. You can pick up to three players! If I missed anyone (other than Spielmann, MNb), pls let me know!
	« Last Edit: 07/23/11 at 15:50:50 by dom »

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