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Reply #52 - 01/24/12 at 01:26:44
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Sometimes repertoire books offer two or three options against certain lines. For example, Ftacnik offers two lines against 6. Bg5, two lines against 6. Be3, and two lines against 2. c3 in Grandmaster Repertoire 6. So it is not as if the reader is following a strict one-response against every sideline type of repertoire.
  

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Reply #51 - 01/23/12 at 10:25:44
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Ender wrote on 01/22/12 at 21:56:28:
Which amateur needs 3 vols?

All corr. players are amateurs.

Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/22/12 at 22:38:32:
There are already so many books for under 2000 or 2200 level,

There are even nuts like me, far beneath 2200 level, who love extensive research on their favourite openings. When I can finish an opening book within a couple of hours, I feel a bit disappointed. That's almost always the case with repertoire books.

Stigma wrote on 01/23/12 at 01:59:09:
Do people really make a point of buying and reading ALL these books?

What's wrong with that? Studying is actually enjoyable, you know.
And who says that studying all the stuff actually means slavishly following all recommendations?

Stigma wrote on 01/23/12 at 02:13:59:
Don't you miss the excitement of searching for and putting together your very own repertoire from databases, favorite players, various opening books, yearbooks, ChessPublishing, this forum, working out lines with a board and/or engines, etc.?

And why should working your way through all the GM Repertoire stuff prevent you from doing that as well?
  

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Reply #50 - 01/23/12 at 08:51:12
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I have no idea, but i always was on the opinion that you cannot propose a fianchetto system without at least explain how are you going to deal with the move order issues caused by 1.c4 and 1.Nf3. Bologan obviously was on the same opinion but Vigorito wasn't. Bit to be fair, everyman already had a book by Dembo dealing with these things. I know that there is going to be a book by Avrukh dealing with these things also, so i don't really know if Kotronias is going to offer complete analysis on 1.c4/1.Nf3, a general advice what to do to avoid move order issues with his fianchetto repertoire, or leave it entirely to Avrukh.
  
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Reply #49 - 01/23/12 at 08:22:52
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/21/12 at 20:05:20:
It is going to be at least 3 volumes! The quality of the work is simply beyong anything you could imagine! Sorry for my enthousiasm but this work really deserves the wait.

Will the English KID be included in these 3 books? If so I'll buy all of them.
  
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Reply #48 - 01/23/12 at 02:23:23
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I do like to mix my repertoire with Grandmaster Repertoire and other books such as Chess Stars and New In Chess, but many choices in those books I already like, so most of the time no need for a large amount of independent research. I still consult databases and look at games of certain players for openings, but if choices in those books are already fairly good, I just learn them instead. For example, almost all of Avrukh's Grünfeld repertoire I play, except I respond to the Fianchetto with ...d5 without ...c6, and use other sources for this aspect.

Nothing wrong with Glasgow, nice city, but when I last went there it was -5 C.
  

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Reply #47 - 01/23/12 at 02:21:34
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Since I started moving towards more main lines, my attitude towards repertoire books has always been to choose some lines from each, but never copy or even work through an entire repertoire.


This is what i do for me, but it depends on each person's character! For example, during 2010 i combined the reperoire choices of Bologan and Schandorff on the Caro Kann (and a bit of "Dangerous Weapons") because in some variation i liked the given solution by the one and in another variation from the other author. For example, against the 5.Nc5 line i consider the Bologan solution more simple and strong. And i have to add that in some lines i have some solutions that cannot be found in any source! I consider this to be a healthy aproach that has to do with the playing style and the overall enjoyment of research in new fields of opening/middlegame chess theory. 

But, on the other hand i cannot find a problem of working on the whole repertoire and playing it. That kind of repertoire should evolve through personal experience over the time and is not going to be static. It is a fine starting point.
  
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Reply #46 - 01/23/12 at 02:13:59
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No offense intended toward Glasgow, of course. 

It's not like following the entire GM repertoire and playing crappy sidelines are the only two options! Don't you miss the excitement of searching for and putting together your very own repertoire from databases, favorite players, various opening books, yearbooks, ChessPublishing, this forum, working out lines with a board and/or engines, etc.? For me that's one of the most engrossing aspects of the game. I also believe in both the educational value and practical surprise value of doing one's own independent opening work.
  

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Reply #45 - 01/23/12 at 02:06:19
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Stigma wrote on 01/23/12 at 01:59:09:
Do people really make a point of buying and reading ALL these books?

I find that surprising and a bit depressing actually. Why should some guys up in Glasgow get to decide someone's entire repertoire with White and Black? What happened to chess players as individualistic rebels and freethinkers?!

Since I started moving towards more main lines, my attitude towards repertoire books has always been to choose some lines from each, but never copy or even work through an entire repertoire. For one thing it's all too easy to get pigeonholed as "that guy who usually plays the Schandorff repertoire, Watson repertoire, Marin repertoire..." thus making preparation all too easy for the most industrious opponents.

The day you have to follow the GM repertoire or the "Anand" repertoire, the "Kramnik" repertoire or whatever to be a serious, improving player, that's the day I quit the game.


Well, what other type of repertoire would I choose? I certainly would not want to forgo using Grandmaster Repertoire books for my repertoire and try to become an IM by playing the Wing Gambit and Owen's Defence, as well as anything that is not a main line. That leaves only main lines, and publishers such as Quality Chess and Chess Stars amongst others seem good for that. Instead of using one author's repertoire, one can mix several authors' repertoires and make a combination of them all. 

And I think Quality Chess being located in Glasgow is another good thing. It is only a few hours from Manchester by any type of transportation. Anyone in the UK or some parts of Europe who is eager to read Grandmaster Repertoire books can get them the next day...
  

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Do people really make a point of buying and reading ALL these books?

I find that surprising and a bit depressing actually. Why should some guys up in Glasgow get to decide someone's entire repertoire with White and Black? What happened to chess players as individualistic rebels and freethinkers?!

Since I started moving towards more main lines, my attitude towards repertoire books has always been to choose some lines from each, but never copy or even work through an entire repertoire. For one thing it's all too easy to get pigeonholed as "that guy who usually plays the Schandorff repertoire, Watson repertoire, Marin repertoire..." thus making preparation all too easy for the most industrious opponents.

The day you have to follow the GM repertoire or the "Anand" repertoire, the "Kramnik" repertoire or whatever to be a serious, improving player, that's the day I quit the game.
  

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Reply #43 - 01/23/12 at 01:06:35
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/22/12 at 23:31:41:
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I own the first nine GM Repertoire books, have studied them in detail and noticed a considerable improvement in my chess over this time.


I am sure this trend will continue f you study the 10nth volume of the series! Smiley


I will buy GM Repertoire 10 very soon, I promise.  Wink
  

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Reply #42 - 01/23/12 at 00:09:16
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Ametanoitos wrote on 01/22/12 at 23:31:41:
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I own the first nine GM Repertoire books, have studied them in detail and noticed a considerable improvement in my chess over this time.


I am sure this trend will continue f you study the 10nth volume of the series! Smiley


Since I own all ten, that is true.
  

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I own the first nine GM Repertoire books, have studied them in detail and noticed a considerable improvement in my chess over this time.


I am sure this trend will continue f you study the 10nth volume of the series! Smiley
  
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Reply #40 - 01/22/12 at 23:09:33
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 01/22/12 at 22:38:32:
No one under 2200 probably needs three volumes, but then who will write for the titled players and those who aspire to become titled players? I am sure IMs read Grandmaster Repertoire books if I am reading them and I am around 2250 FIDE. I have read every Grandmaster Repertoire book (and in the process of reading the Tarrasch GM10), and the format is tree with variations. Of course it is as dense, detailed, and heavy as an engineering textbook, but if one wants to surpass 2400 or 2500 (or 2600?), then this is necessary. I would rather read 3000 pages of Grandmaster Repertoire volumes on one opening than one book that does not provide as much information. When I read Avrukh's two volume work on 1. d4, it took me over half a year to finish reading, but it was worth it as it allowed me to switch completely from being fairly unsuccessful with 1. e4 to 1. d4. Sometimes it would take me all day to finish four pages, but so do reading my university textbooks. To me that means the book is good, not bad.

There are already so many books for under 2000 or 2200 level, so those who need maximum amount of information and theory will also need required books as well. I formed about 90% of my entire repertoire on the Grandmaster Repertoire books, never memorising every single line but only the bolded moves, as with an engineering or mathematics textbook, you only need to memorise the main equations in a section and understand the extra text. The footnotes and text are to help understand the position in greater detail. A 2500 player cannot memorise a few lines and hope to succeed against quality opposition, just as how a PhD in physics cannot earn that qualification by just memorising the laws of motion.


Well stated. I own the first nine GM Repertoire books, have studied them in detail and noticed a considerable improvement in my chess over this time. 

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Don't panic, I am publishing 'International Master Repertoire: The King's Indian' and 'FIDE Master Repertoire: The King's Indian' in December 2013. IM Repertoire will be about 600 pages, and FM Repertoire will be 300 pages.
  

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Reply #39 - 01/22/12 at 22:38:32
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No one under 2200 probably needs three volumes, but then who will write for the titled players and those who aspire to become titled players? I am sure IMs read Grandmaster Repertoire books if I am reading them and I am around 2250 FIDE. I have read every Grandmaster Repertoire book (and in the process of reading the Tarrasch GM10), and the format is tree with variations. Of course it is as dense, detailed, and heavy as an engineering textbook, but if one wants to surpass 2400 or 2500 (or 2600?), then this is necessary. I would rather read 3000 pages of Grandmaster Repertoire volumes on one opening than one book that does not provide as much information. When I read Avrukh's two volume work on 1. d4, it took me over half a year to finish reading, but it was worth it as it allowed me to switch completely from being fairly unsuccessful with 1. e4 to 1. d4. Sometimes it would take me all day to finish four pages, but so do reading my university textbooks. To me that means the book is good, not bad.

There are already so many books for under 2000 or 2200 level, so those who need maximum amount of information and theory will also need required books as well. I formed about 90% of my entire repertoire on the Grandmaster Repertoire books, never memorising every single line but only the bolded moves, as with an engineering or mathematics textbook, you only need to memorise the main equations in a section and understand the extra text. The footnotes and text are to help understand the position in greater detail. A 2500 player cannot memorise a few lines and hope to succeed against quality opposition, just as how a PhD in physics cannot earn that qualification by just memorising the laws of motion.
  

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Reply #38 - 01/22/12 at 22:10:02
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GM Rep books are "scientific proofs" that prove the GM point about the opening. You don't need to rememeber all that, believe me none does. But if you want to work, or come back after your game and check what you should have played these books re really great. You can also check on the databases ofcourse but this doesn't tell you a lot. It is like having a specialized GM in the current opening offering advice and guidance through the jungle. And in openings like the KID where computes, bases and general advice doesn't help you cannot have something better. 

Chess is fun, i know, but having such a quality book is blessing in my opinion.
  
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