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Re: Magnus Carlsen...
Reply #18 - 09/13/16 at 23:55:56
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Without starting another thread, thought of resurrecting this thread to highlight an observation or two by GM Colovic:
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After I finished my last game I spent some time watching the games on the top boards. I positioned myself between the boards where Carlsen and Kramnik were playing, some 3-4 meters from both. And I observed them. I found it very difficult to look at Carlsen for a longer period of time. The amount of energy that emanates from him is incredible. Or perhaps the word aura is more precise. Something very strong and powerful irradiates from him and mind you, I was standing 3-4 meters from him. I tried to imagine how it would be to sit against him for hours on and play when he would make all these precise and strong moves. It would have felt as if he wanted to push me away. In that moment I understood Taimanov and Larsen when they were playing Fischer. "A wall coming at you" was how Taimanov put it.

Looking at Kramnik was different. There was also a lot of energy coming from him, but of a different kind. Less aggressive, yet imposing in its own way. I played diagonally from Kramnik in Tromso 2014 (when I was on board 2 playing Svidler and he was on board 1 playing Nedev) and it didn't feel threatening. Strong, confident, imposing, but not threatening like Carlsen.

http://www.alexcolovic.com/2016/09/baku-olympiad-2016-rounds-10.html
  

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Reply #17 - 09/11/10 at 16:26:30
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2 good links Stigma. Ultimately you're right, I think the interview with the father just about sums it up. Also in the second link (the blog) there are some interesting comments from people with Aspergers syndrome, trying to explain that it is not always a "defect" as many people seem to think. Anyway as someone with an interest in science I think its a pity not to investigate the possibility further, but you're right ultimately it is the decision of Magnus. If its true hes never been tested then the answer could be yes or no. I personally dont see the harm in the speculation as others do, since I dont see the problem if he does have slight symptoms, and he is the Worlds number 1 chess player after all.
  
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Reply #16 - 09/11/10 at 15:17:05
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Keano wrote on 09/11/10 at 11:58:33:
Thats a very negative way of looking at it, as if its something to hide. I am sure people with autism could do with positive role models, and there are many degrees of it in the autism spectrum. Anyway its not a rumour as such since Carlsen has responded to a direct interview question in which he had the chance to simply say no, and even now he could just make a statement denying it if he wished. I am sure his name would then be removed from wikipedia and the whole thing put to bed. For me there is no stigma attached to this in this day and age and I'd actually view it as a positive. Either way it certainly doesnt change my opinion of him as a chess player one way or the other and dont see why it should. The sooner he is World champ the better.

Sorry, but your answer is full of (illogical) assumptions. How a human feature is seen has nothing to do with attributing this feature to a single person publicly.
  

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Reply #15 - 09/11/10 at 14:58:42
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@Keano: I found the NY times interview:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/arts/31mccl.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&sq=chess%20...

The clarification by Magnus is quoted by Tarjei on this page: 
http://www.chessninja.com/dailydirt/2009/10/confident-carlsen-goes-gold.htm

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Anyone who knows Magnus personally, knows that he is socially doing very well and does not fit the definition of Asbergers at all.

I quote from an interview in a Norwegian paper recently:

"In an internet meeting a few years back, we got to know even more parts of Magnus. He spoke about tennis and computers. On the question whether he was an autist. he answeres: Yes, isn't that obvious?
What did you mean?
- At that time, I may not have realized that some people perceived me as autistic. I thought people had seen enough normal parts of me, that this had to be spiteful remarks.
- You wanted to be funny?
- At least I hope people took it in a humourous way.
He supports his head in his hands.
- I do think many chess players have Asberger's.


While openness about all kinds of human differences is a good thing in principle, it should be only up to Magnus himself what to reveal about this (and probably there is nothing to reveal). A discussion here by people who really don't know enough about him is pointless, and reminds me of the tasteless speculations about every aspect of poor celebrities' personal lives in tabloid newspapers and magazines.
  

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Reply #14 - 09/11/10 at 14:30:15
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Stigma - if he has come out and clarified that he is not autistic then fine. At the moment it doesn't seem to be clarified though and since this is all over the place on wikepeadia, Migs blog, and lots of other places, I dont really agree that us discussing it in one other place here is supporting rumours. So what if he has slight symptoms of Aspergers? From what I can gather in an interview in the New York Times his father said that he was never tested because he seemed well adjusted socially, although his childhood was obviously not normal and there were several times he was concerned. Anyway it seems to be a slight to autistic people to avoid the subject since he has several obvious character traits, and it seems more open, helpful and productive generally that if it is the case it is brought out into the open now. Just my opinion mind, and I can see I've upset a few people who take this as some kind of attack on Carlsen which it certainly is not, I've always been a top supporter of his and you can see in other threads.
  
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Reply #13 - 09/11/10 at 14:02:12
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TN wrote on 09/11/10 at 06:25:01:
I'm surprised by the World's choice of opening since 7...e5 isn't one of Black's most reputed answers to the Fianchetto Variation. Was this move chosen by the three GMs or the world?


I read at thechessmind blog that this move 7...e5 was Polgar's choice while the two other GMs gave 7...a6. But afterwards it was up to the World to chose between these ideas. So the World is to be blamed... isnt it?

Actually, i don't know how seroiusly the 3 GMs took their job. Nakamura e.g. proposed 1...f5 but the World did not follow him. Later, I read Nakamura blogging/chatting sth. like "please dont follow my recommendations" etc. So, I regarded the event mainly as some great fun and promotion (for G-Star as well as chess).
  
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Reply #12 - 09/11/10 at 13:20:20
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Keano wrote on 09/11/10 at 11:58:33:
Anyway its not a rumour as such since Carlsen has responded to a direct interview question in which he had the chance to simply say no, and even now he could just make a statement denying it if he wished.

As tafl just said, Carlsen's answer in that interview was irony. In a somewhat later interview he clarified that he didn't realize anyone could actually believe he was autistic, with all the normal interests he had shown. But maybe that's more obvious to those who know him than to the general public. (I can't find any link to this later answer now; will post it if I do).

So yes, until the man himself says something else in public you are spreading unsupported rumours.

I remember Magnus' father once commenting he was happy things had turned out so well for a child that was in some ways very different. But probably he was just thinking of his unusual skills and interests, obvious from an early age.
  

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Reply #11 - 09/11/10 at 11:58:33
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Thats a very negative way of looking at it, as if its something to hide. I am sure people with autism could do with positive role models, and there are many degrees of it in the autism spectrum. Anyway its not a rumour as such since Carlsen has responded to a direct interview question in which he had the chance to simply say no, and even now he could just make a statement denying it if he wished. I am sure his name would then be removed from wikipedia and the whole thing put to bed. For me there is no stigma attached to this in this day and age and I'd actually view it as a positive. Either way it certainly doesnt change my opinion of him as a chess player one way or the other and dont see why it should. The sooner he is World champ the better.
  
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Reply #10 - 09/11/10 at 11:17:38
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This topic serves only the spreading of rumours. It is nearly always a lack of professional ethics to give a diagnosis about a person not examined in direct contact under a clear mandate.

Speculations by laymen are b...s... anyway.
  

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Reply #9 - 09/11/10 at 08:30:19
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Daniel wrote on 09/10/10 at 23:26:09:
immense amounts of natural talent + a will to work away from the board + killer instinct over the board.

Carlsen is mildly autistic (Asperger's syndrome I believe.  http://www.nettavisen.no/sjakk/article1599185.ece) as are many chess players, some of the most well known being Ivanchuk and Navara.


I think everybody knows about Navara, but never struck me about Ivanchuk. I see on wikipedia Carlsen is listed as having "High Functioning Autism": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_on_the_autism_spectrum

It is very interesting the connection between autism and high level chess players, I wonder if any studies have been done on this?
  
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Reply #8 - 09/11/10 at 06:25:01
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[Event "RAW Chess Challenge"]
[Site "1:10:33-0:26:33"]
[Date "2010.09.10"]
[EventDate "2010.09.10"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "1-0"]
[White "Magnus Carlsen"]
[Black "The World"]
[ECO "E62"]
[WhiteElo "?"]
[BlackElo "?"]
[PlyCount "2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.g3 O-O 5.Bg2 d6 6.Nc3 Nc6 7.O-O e5 8.d5 Ne7 9.e4 c6 10.a4 Bg4 11.a5 cxd5 12.cxd5 Qd7 13.Be3 Rfc8 14.Qa4 Ne8 15.Nd2 Qd8 16.Qb4 Nc7 17.Nc4 Na6 18.Qxb7 Rxc4 19.Qxa6 Rb4 20.f3 Bc8 21.Qe2 f5 22.Qd2 Ba6 23.Rfc1 Qb8 24.Na4 Rb3 25.Rc3 Rb4 26.Rca3 f4 27.Bf2 Bh6 28.Nb6 fxg3 29.Qxb4 gxf2+ 30.Kxf2 Bc8 31.Rb3 axb6 32.Qxb6 Qa7 33.a6 Kf7 34.Qxa7 Rxa7 35.Rb6 Ke8 36.Rxd6 Bf8 37.Rb6 Nxd5 38.Rb8 Bc5+ 39.Kg3 Ne7 40.Bh3 Kd8 41.Bxc8 Nxc8 42.Rc1 Rc7 43.Rxc5 Rxc5 44.a7  1-0

I'm surprised by the World's choice of opening since 7...e5 isn't one of Black's most reputed answers to the Fianchetto Variation. Was this move chosen by the three GMs or the world?
  

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Reply #7 - 09/11/10 at 05:03:45
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Carlsen is mildly autistic (Asperger's syndrome I believe.  http://www.nettavisen.no/sjakk/article1599185.ece) as are many chess players, some of the most well known being Ivanchuk and Navara.


Difficulties recognizing irony is one of the symptoms of Asperger's syndrome. I wonder who suffer from this condition - Carlsen or those taking his tongue in cheek answers literally?
  

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Reply #6 - 09/10/10 at 23:26:09
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immense amounts of natural talent + a will to work away from the board + killer instinct over the board.

Carlsen is mildly autistic (Asperger's syndrome I believe.  http://www.nettavisen.no/sjakk/article1599185.ece) as are many chess players, some of the most well known being Ivanchuk and Navara.
  
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Reply #5 - 09/10/10 at 14:43:29
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Exceptional talent + excellent guidance + hard work + youthful energy = 2800+

I was a bit surprised to see pictures of him when I glanced into a G-star store yesterday, although I've seen notes about this on the CB news.
  

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Re: Magnus Carlsen...
Reply #4 - 09/10/10 at 14:31:23
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I saw an interview with Carlsen on a football programme recently which surprised me. The interviewer asked Carlsen if he was interested in football because he heard when he was younger he was always asking for results. What struck me was Carlsens reply - he said that he was fascinated by the results and scores in particular, but not by the football itself or actual teams! I am just guessing but I'd say Carlsen has some kind of condition which allows him to store chess positions/calculations in an ordered way. I'm not saying the guy is like Dustin Hoffman in Rainman, but you know what I mean.

Edit: thinking about this further I feel like an idiot because after a quick google search it seems this topic has already been well covered. Apparently a journalist asked Carlsen in a press conference if he was autistic, and Carlsen replied "Yes, isn't it obvious". Some people are not sure if this was a joke or not, but for me it seems likely he may be slightly autistic. This could actually be a help to him at super GM level, allowing him to remain more focused. Interesting that its not been mentioned at all in the main-stream chess press, maybe because they are scared it will damage the image of the game, but seems more important to me to be truthful and respectful.
  
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