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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #68 - 03/31/13 at 15:32:08
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Girkassa wrote on 03/30/13 at 17:23:22:
I thought the general opinion about the Budapest was that White is slightly better in pretty much all major lines. Which does not mean that it is refuted, but it gives White a pleasant choice. The Aronian-Ivanchuk game fits well with that view, I think.


Ah, sorry, refuted is a too strong word.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #67 - 03/30/13 at 17:23:22
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I thought the general opinion about the Budapest was that White is slightly better in pretty much all major lines. Which does not mean that it is refuted, but it gives White a pleasant choice. The Aronian-Ivanchuk game fits well with that view, I think.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #66 - 03/30/13 at 15:07:15
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Is it considered refuted?
I had quite a look at most of Whites lines and found it hard to find anything more that a small advantage. I thought there would be something more somewhere but failed to find it...
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #65 - 03/30/13 at 13:17:15
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Girkassa wrote on 03/30/13 at 12:25:04:
Unless he has some improvement ready, I strongly doubt he would take such a chance.


I kinda agree, but who knows? Apparently Ivanchuk had enough trust in the Budapest gambit to play it in the Candidates tournament, despite it being considered almost refuted.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #64 - 03/30/13 at 12:25:04
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Unless he has some improvement ready, I strongly doubt he would take such a chance.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #63 - 03/30/13 at 11:29:21
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BobbyDigital80 wrote on 03/29/13 at 23:45:34:
Michael Adams recently played this line as black. It's interesting that he didn't know it was refuted.


How do you know that he didn't know, maybe he took a chance?
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #62 - 03/29/13 at 23:45:34
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Michael Adams recently played this line as black. It's interesting that he didn't know it was refuted.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #61 - 03/02/13 at 14:09:01
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tony37 wrote on 03/02/13 at 12:44:14:

still I think this is no fun for black to play, but better than taking the pawn

I agree, the Sargissian game looked very convincing for White.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #60 - 03/02/13 at 12:44:14
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GMTonyKosten wrote on 03/02/13 at 12:24:05:
tony37 wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:58:35:
but in the game Sargissian-Socko the move 9.e4!! wasn't played so I guess he simply didn't read this thread.

After 9...d6 isn't this likely to transpose?

I supposed it didn't, but now I see you're right
still I think this is no fun for black to play, but better than taking the pawn
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #59 - 03/02/13 at 12:24:05
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tony37 wrote on 03/01/13 at 22:58:35:
but in the game Sargissian-Socko the move 9.e4!! wasn't played so I guess he simply didn't read this thread.

After 9...d6 isn't this likely to transpose?
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #58 - 03/01/13 at 22:58:35
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I see John Emms talks about this "5...c5!?" move in his update, he also mentions 7.cxd5 but in the game Sargissian-Socko the move 9.e4!! wasn't played so I guess he simply didn't read this thread. But he's not the only one who doesn't know about this because 2 of my correspondence chess opponents walked right into this line (games ongoing)
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #57 - 10/12/12 at 15:32:41
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Well, the Bogo-Indian has been a major alternative to the Queen's Indian since approximately forever, and as I recall 3...b6 4. g3 Bb7 5. Bg2 Bb4+ was a favorite of Capablanca.  Sometimes I have to wonder how far the apparent current tendencies of hyperspecialization and recent-publication-ism can go ...
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #56 - 10/12/12 at 08:32:13
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In the latest Yearbook there is an article on 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Bb4+ (Bogo) 4.Bd2 Bxd2, which i see it an a nice short-cut of theory if you want to complete a repertoire with Black using the Nimzo. Maybe you can consider this if you don't want to bother with the QID!  Smiley Btw, i like this idea (Bb4+ followed Bxd2) in the QID after 3...b6 4.g3 Bb7 as Marin analysed in a couple of CBM articles.
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #55 - 10/07/12 at 03:18:59
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I've started studying 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.g3 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7, which is a Tiviakov recommendation. I hope it's fully sound, because I don't want to learn the main line with 4...Ba6 or the old classical line with 4...Bb7 5.Bg2 Be7.  Tongue
  
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Re: Curiousity in the Queen's Indian
Reply #54 - 09/28/12 at 09:05:59
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What a shame! I liked playing this variation as black. Time to find something else.   Angry
  
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