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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #10 - 06/20/11 at 13:03:08
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SteelyD, I like that advice too (though it definitely predates Bronstein's quote). With databases, this is my preferred method of studying openings and thematic ideas. Today's technology makes this extremely easy to do! 

I would add to avoid the temptation of turning on an engine until after you've written down some concrete analysis. The fourth pass should be with the engine, correcting your mistakes and working out whether you or the engine made a mistake and why.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #9 - 06/20/11 at 12:21:14
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In The Sorcerer's Apprentice David Bronstein revealed how he studied master games:

First, play through the whole game without hesitating more than a couple seconds at each move. If you have the urge to pause longer dont! Take a piece of paper and make some notes if you wish, and continue to play the game to the end. Then get a cup of tea or coffee, relax and try your best to recall from memory the spectacle you have just seen. Try to establish the reasons why certain decisions were made.Second, play through the game again, somewhat slower this time,and make notes of everything that you did not see the first time. Third, now go straight to those pencil marks and give your imaginative and creative energy free reign. Try to play better than my partner and I. If you do not agree, look closely at each decision, either for White or for Black, with a critical eye. If you look at a game like this you will discover a lot of new and useful knowledge, which you can use for your own benefit. Write your findings in a notebook in order to look at them later when you are in a different mood, especially if you like the game. When I was learning to play chess, I studied thousands and thousands of games played by the older generation in exactly the same way and gained a lot from them.

I think this is very useful advice from good old David and a good way to go through the games in one's chess books.

Another good way is to go through books with challenging material and problems like Build Up Your Chess (at least the mastery level ones), Perfect Your Chess, the Excelling ... books and Dvoretsky books.

By the way, interesting similarities M1lk. I'm also 2050 FIDE, haven't played for 4 years but before that I was taking big rating jumps. I also favour rather slow and classical play, developing comfortably before starting action and seem to have a rather good feeling for where to put the pieces.

1.Nf3 (or 1.d4) with white, Nimzo, Queens Indian, Hedgehog and closed Ruy Lopez with black are actually the openings that I think would suit me but unfortunately not the ones I've studied and played so far.

Good luck on reviving your career. That's something that I plan to do as well soon.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #8 - 06/12/11 at 16:12:45
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one of them, the F10 feature in chessbase.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #7 - 03/26/11 at 20:54:34
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glad it helped  Smiley

as to how I read books, it depends on the book. Most of the 15 books I mentioned I read cover to cover including everything. However, some of the books I would skip sidelines that to me weren't of real value. For games going over openings I don't play or that were played 50+ years ago, I often pushed through the opening fast without any time spent on it to get to the meat - critical positions - of the game. If the book was a games collection, I always tried to guess the next move and analyze out my ideas and plans before seeing what was actually played. If I was wrong (as I nearly always was) then I wanted to see if it mentioned my analysis to explain to me why I was wrong (and it usually did). If it was a tactics book, then I would setup each position. I would give myself 10 minutes on the clock. I would analyze out everything I possibly could then look at the solution (regardless if I was right or wrong). If it was an endgame, I usually played around with it on the board intuition style before reading the author's comments (this was particularly helpful with Howell's Essential Chess Endings as it is a book teaching how to learn proper technique by looking at examples where the most natural move is usually wrong).

As to opening books, here is where the most skimming for me occurs. I find that for my class level, my openings tend to be head and shoulders above the rest. I skim opening books looking for themes, patterns, ideas, understanding the key elements of the position and rarely ever spend any time trying to memorize lines or move order issues. Then I like take key games in line and dissect for myself why this game is so important before I read the authors comments on that game. I find this gives me a great understanding of the opening as I play I can figure out alot of moves that are or aren't in the spirit of that opening. But I once read an opening book cover to cover and got zilch from the time spent. So the other method has worked much better for me.

That brings me to the real point - at long last - you have to find the method that works best for you. My methods may not be the best for you.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #6 - 03/26/11 at 20:43:01
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Thanks alot for a really good comment especially the part on ruy lopez, I friend of mine own Marin's book and I'm getting it tomorrow, I'm curious though if you use any method when you are reading chess books or do you just go over it cover to cover.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #5 - 03/26/11 at 20:21:28
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #4 - 03/26/11 at 19:39:59
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m1lk wrote on 03/26/11 at 19:10:51:
Tell me what exactly makes you think I'm trolling? This is ridiculous, stay on topic or be somewhere else.

Tip for you: If the content of your comment is of very low quality don't expect the answer to be any better.


keep your cool. The moderator will step in soon to deal with the real troll (uhohspaghettio) a second time.

I wish I had something real to contribute to your quest but since i'm at the same rating level you are... its hard. However, I made it to your rating level in a completely different way. With no coach, I used almost entirely books and strong otb games. I played 150+ otb games for three years straight always seeking out players stronger than myself and playing a section up. I then brutally analyzed every game (especially losses). However, my supplemented study time was pure books. I read in order: How to Force checkmate by Reinfeld (when I was rated 1000), The Amateur's Mind (when I was rated 1000), Capablanca's Best games (1300), Zurich 1953 (when I was 1500), Practical Rookendgames (1600), Essential Chess Endings (1700), Art of Attack (1800), Seven Deadly Chess Sins (1800), , Psychology in Chess (Krogius) (1800), Chess for Zebras (1900),  100 endgames you must know (1900), Analyzing the endgame (1900), How to Think in Chess (2000), Road to Chess Improvement (2000), Perfect your chess (2000). And i've perused numerous other books for particular chapters as needed (mostly opening books) as I went along. I mostly used correspondence chess as a way to learn and bulk up my openings for practice at OTB chess.

I think there are many paths to improvement but they are all hard and all require ENJOYING spending the time and the ability to be honest with one's self about what you think your weaknesses are. 

But the long winded answer to your question, are books helpful? I found them so yes given that I read 15 books on my way to gain 1000 rating pts over 3 years (however this only brings me up to the level you are at now). I would say it largely depends on if reading is enjoyable to you and you can learn material from this method. Then it is just a matter of finding the right books to address the right issues.

I do want to make the opening suggestion though of switching to the Ruy Lopez as black (maybe Closed or Breyer) since you said A) you like things where you can just quietly develop first and B) you have a great intuition for just 'knowing' where the pieces should go. These two things to me scream RUY LOPEZ. I strongly suggest getting Marin's book on the Lopez playing through some of the mainlines til you find a system you like.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #3 - 03/26/11 at 19:28:35
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Look, the Hedgehog is not an opening. It is a set-up. If you just open with a Hedgehog/Stonewall/Colle no matter what your opponent plays, then that's not a serious opening.

You come here admitting you've never read a book on chess in your life, and call statements that correct your terminology stupid? Why not actually listen to other people who are leading you in the right direction... 
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #2 - 03/26/11 at 18:34:37
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The hedgehog isn't a serious opening? This is just plain stupid to say. And I know the hedgehog is a set up, I mentioned that in my threat and also that doesn't change the fact it is also an opening.
  
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Re: Taking my game to the next level
Reply #1 - 03/26/11 at 18:26:04
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I don't know who told you that you shouldn't play Super GM openings, those are exactly what you should play. Systems such as the Hedgehog, Colle and Stonewall aren't openings, they're set-ups, mainly played by people who don't have time to study openings very well or people who want to experiment. They aren't very serious openings.

Meanwhile the Nimzo-Indian and Queen's Indian are specific openings of Super GM standard and not set-ups. I can't say anything else since I'm pretty sure you are better than me...
  
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Taking my game to the next level
03/26/11 at 18:14:39
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Hi I'm rated 2050 elo and haven't been playing at all for 4 years, maybe around 10 games max each year (tournament games) and therefore my rating have not changed during this time. Before that I was one of the best at my age level in my country and my rating was skyrocketing. I recently played for my team in the national league (only 3 games though) and surprisingly didn't lose a game and scored 2/3 against higher rated players. This motivated my extremly to take up chess again and I set myself a goal to get a fide master title in 2-3 years.

Here's how the sketch of my repertoire looks like:

White: I used to play 1.Nf3 almost exclusively (inspired by Kramnik) but now I play 1.d4 just as often after reading Avrukh's grandmaster repertoire 1 and 2.

Black: 1.e4 = (sicilian ...e6 variations) and philidor (pirc move order) as back up. I've played every single opening against 1.e4 as I was having a really hard time choosing which one suits me the best. Finally I choose sicilian over ...e5 and I really like the philidor also now and then.
1.d4/c4/Nf3 = Nimzo-Indian, Queen's Indian and Hedgehog setups.

The openings I love the most are those who are kind of quiet and I can develop all my pieces before I start doing anything, for example the hedgehog. If you have other openings like that in mind I would really appreciate some idea's. I should also add though It's generally said it's not such a good idea to play openings the super grandmasters are playing at my level I tend to score better with them, I for example hate playing openings like the stonewall which gives me weaknesses.

My strongest side of the game is undoubtly that I know on which squares the pieces belong to and also I'm good at making them work together and I also have a good patience. I really like to play like the old players and this kind of style have earned me a victory and a draw against two grandmaster and few draws against IM's.

I'm trying to find out which part of my game I need to work on and it would be really helpful if you tell me about a program, book or something like that which highlights the weakest part of my game.

Before the break (4 years ago) I used to study with a coach and therefore I have never read a chess book in my life, apart from looking at some lines in opening books. I own alot of good chess books though and I would like to ask if you think you really gain much from reading books?

At last I would like to ask, which training method improved your chess the most?
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