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Re: fritz 8...Ne6
Reply #5 - 03/31/11 at 21:51:55
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SWJediknight wrote on 03/31/11 at 10:07:29:
Isn't it 8.cxd4 that is the main problem for the viability of the line for Black?

I guess I don't understand why 8.cxd4 is a good idea. Why not just 8...Qxg5 9.Bxb5ch Kd8 10.Qf3 exd4 11.Bc6 Nb4 12.Bxa8 Nc2ch 13.Kd1 Bg4 14.Kxc2 Qc5ch 15.Kd3 Bxf3 16.Bxf3 Be7? & Black seems okay.
  
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Re: fritz 8...Ne6
Reply #4 - 03/31/11 at 16:21:58
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sloughter wrote on 03/31/11 at 11:35:54:
Why don't you summarize your work and post it on this thread?

Because I am too lazy for it. As a result of this thread I have lost my interest for the Fritz-Ulvestadt.

sloughter wrote on 03/31/11 at 11:35:54:
I regard it as anti-positional

If I have to choose between thorough collective analysis on this forum (including some of myself) and the positional instinct of a (what was your rating again?) I don't have to think long and hard. Being pragmatic and not principled (even though stubborn) I am considering a repertoire with 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5, though it might take several years before I actually take it up.

JediKnight: you are right. I have added a note in my previous post.
  
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Re: fritz 8...Ne6
Reply #3 - 03/31/11 at 11:35:54
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MNb wrote on 03/31/11 at 09:51:30:
sloughter wrote on 03/31/11 at 03:39:43:
Post members have argued on other threads that the Berliner Gambit is unsound but that with 8...Ne6 Black is fine.

Post members have argued that 8...Ne6 isn't fine at all because of 9.cxd4. Read

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1297695057/0

to learn how I changed my mind.
So this thread is quite superfluous.


Why don't you summarize your work and post it on this thread? As I recall the thread is kind of scattered. It would be useful to compare and contrast the main lines. While you may be right, I regard it as anti-positional i.e. mostly tactics that would be impossible to calculate more than a few moves ahead over-the-board. 

In other words if you think you are a good tactician, play your variation. If you are more comfortable playing positional variations my analysis may suit you better. I am not saying you are wrong, it is just a matter of taste.
  
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Re: fritz 8...Ne6
Reply #2 - 03/31/11 at 10:07:29
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Isn't it 8.cxd4 that is the main problem for the viability of the line for Black?
  
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Re: fritz 8...Ne6
Reply #1 - 03/31/11 at 09:51:30
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sloughter wrote on 03/31/11 at 03:39:43:
Post members have argued on other threads that the Berliner Gambit is unsound but that with 8...Ne6 Black is fine.

Post members have argued that 8...Ne6 isn't fine at all because of 9.cxd4. Read

http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1297695057/0

to learn how I changed my mind.
So this thread is quite superfluous.

Edit: because of lost interest and low attention I made a glaring mistake. It should be:

Post Members have argued that 8.cxd4 questions the whole Fritz-Ulvestadt, so trying to prove an edge after 8.Ne4 Ne6 is quite superfluous.
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C57: fritz 8...Ne6
03/31/11 at 03:39:43
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Post members have argued on other threads that the Berliner Gambit is unsound but that with 8...Ne6 Black is fine. According to GM Lev Alburt in a new variation I have analyzed recently Black's job isn't so easy. Lev believes that the critical variations are +/= or unclear and a lot of obvious tries are just winning for White. Here are two of them:

4.Ng5 d5 5.exd5 Nd4 6.c3 b5 7.Bf1 Nxd5 8.Ne4 Ne6 9.Bxb5ch Bd7 10.Bc4!

10..Bc6 11.O-O f5 12.Ng3 Nef4 13.d4 Nxg2 14.Nxf5 Ngf4 15.Re1 Qg5ch 16.Ng3 O-O-O 17.Rxe5 +-

or---This will probably make it into the anthologies of opening traps.

9.Bxd5ch Bd7 10.Bc4 Bc6 11.O-O Ndf4 12.Re1 Nd3 13.Re3 Nef4 14.Qf3 Nxc1 15.Qxf4! exf4 16.Nf6#
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