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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #9 - 08/27/11 at 15:03:32
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Mastermuzzy wrote on 08/27/11 at 13:28:04:

Is there also a (almost) forced drawing line for black after 15.Nb3 and do you think this move is better?

you ask "better"..for White..I suppose ?

Well, in books, at move 15. White seems compelled to choose between Nf3 and Nb3 (except if hedelayed castling before, another story) and either move gives double pawns, hence choice is not easy.

But, as you know now, Nf3 has been heavily studied, and some players try nowadays the Nb3 move .

There are not so many comments in books, I think, because ideas occured in different variations. After 15.Nb3 Nxb3! 16.axb3 I will happy to know how White will find one good example after the (simple) 16...Be6

Idea of this move is that White queen is so badly placed that Black enjoys free play in center and queenside.

A) 17.Qh4 (only way to escape  Smiley ) Qb6 18.Bg5 (18.Qa4 Bc5) e4

B) 17.Bg5 e4 (important to force e2 moving to bad square) 18.Be2 Rc8 19.Rfc1 (19.Rxa7 Qb6 20.Raa1 Ba3 21.Qh4 Bxb2 22.Rab1 Be5=) Rc6=

C) 17.Bd2 Rc8 

but even simpler is:

16...Bf5! 17.Bxf5 (17.Be2 Qb6! instead of 17...Bc5  Povse-Frangez,  Sentjur  2009) gxh5 (Kengis-Moskalenko,Sverdlivsk 1984) 18.Qh3 (18.Bg5 Bc5! and Black is better in sub variations 19.Qh3 g6 ; 19.Qh4 novelty of game 
Kramer-Chernin,Somerset 1986 ...very important game, analysed by Drasko and Psakhis, and given in Short small book about French .23...e4 (d4 was played) 24.Rc1! is Drasko idea in this game) g6 (I don't trust Qd7à 19.Bg5 (19.Bd2 d4 pawnroller is better here with no light square bishops) Bc5 (not 19...Qb6 20.Bxf6 transposing to Schneider-Vaidya,USA, Closed IM2008) 20.Rac1 (transposing) Bb6 Kruttika-Gomes,  2008 and 
Lerch-Bubolz, 2009 

All these lines show it's difficult for White to win: all is based upon a Black blunder, because Black has pawnroller and White has not one)
  

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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #8 - 08/27/11 at 13:59:52
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Yes 11.Ng6?! not so much explained in books: in my recorded lines I have only Paskhis, Drasko and Moskalenko (he is everywhere Smiley ) ...
11...hxg6 12.exf6 and now (except Nxf6 transposing to accurate line)

A) 12....Kxf6 13.Qxh8 Kf7 14.Qh3!  (14.f4 McLaughlin-Shire,corr 1998 (Psakhis Nd2) ; 14.oo Barle-Portisch, Ljubljana, Portoroz 1973 (Drasko, Psakhis,Zlotnik et MCO) ) Ne5 15.Nb3 (Drasko referrining to Minic)  or 15.oo Qf6

B) 12...gxf6!? 13.Qxh8 Ne5 (Moskalenko) 

  

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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #7 - 08/27/11 at 13:28:04
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Thanks for pointing out the variations after 16...e4, now it almost seems like a forced draw to me. I do still believe in white's chances after 16...Bf5.

Is there also a (almost) forced drawing line for black after 15.Nb3 and do you think this move is better?
  
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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #6 - 08/27/11 at 12:52:10
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The variation is known as Salto Mortale. I haven't looked much at this variation, but what I've seen is that is seems like fun for both sides! A short remark, Moskalenko gives 11.Ng6 as ?! after 11 ...hxg6 12.exf6+ Kxf6! 13. Qxh8 Kf7 =+.
  
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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #5 - 08/27/11 at 12:33:46
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I agree, I still like Black even in this critical line. Objectively, the position is probably about equal, but Black's play makes much more sense to me. Psakhis seems to think that Black has full compensation for the exchange, but not more, at least in his Complete French . I don't have his book on the Tarrasch to see whether he's changed his mind.
  
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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #4 - 08/27/11 at 11:31:04
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@Matsermuzzy: I agree about 16..Nh5 17.Bxg6 (Pirrot-Hertneck,Allemagne 1989)  but not about 16..e4 17.fxe4 Nh5 18.exd5 (Bressanelli-Salami,Lodi 2005) because of 18...Qh4 19.Bxg6+ Kxg6 20.Qxf8 and now two variations for Black:
20...Bh3 (MCO) 21.Qf3 Rf8 22.Qe2 Rf6 23.a4 Kh7 24.Ra3 Rg6+ 25.Rg3 Nxg3 26.hxg3 Bxf1 27.Qxf1 Qd4=

20...Bf5 21.Qa3 Qg4+ 22.Kh1 Re8 and = after 23.Bd2 or 23.Rg1

but...if Blacks wants a win or sharp fight then 16...Bf5 17.Bxf5 gxf5 18.Bg5 and now for Black one main idea is to exchange queens and use pawn majority in center 18...Bc5 (18...Be7 19.Qh3 g6 20.f4 instead of 20.Rac1 Nh5 Navarrete Delgado-Brethes, Francois Condom FRA, Closed IM 2009) 19.Qh3 Qd7 (19...g6 Raza Equiza-Cioara, MI tournament Condom 2007) 20.Rad1 d4 21.Rfe1 Re8 Zlochevsky-Barsov,URSS 1987 (Psakhis Nd2)

  

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Re: C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #3 - 08/26/11 at 14:16:40
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I know it has been a while since the latest post, but this seemed like the best thread to post my question.

In the exchange sac line with 14.0-0 e5 what is the current verdict of 15.Nf3 Nxf3 16.gxf3 ?

I do believe white has some chances for an edge after 16...Nh5 (17.Bxg6+!) and 16...e4 (17.fxe4 Nh5 18.exd5!?) but I have the most problems with 16...Bxf5 after which I am not so sure about the position after 17.Bxf5 gxf5 18.Bg5

Could anyone point me towards the right plans/ideas or perhaps a model game?

  
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Re: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #2 - 06/02/11 at 12:42:53
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the download link feature is still in beta testing. in this case, the length of the pgn caused an error. 

will rethink how the pgn gets downloaded. 
  
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Re: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
Reply #1 - 06/02/11 at 10:26:47
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That looks more than very nice, S_F, but when I try to download the game the link doesn't work. That's not a reproach; I don't know how to do it either.
  

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C06: French Tarrasch ...Nf6 9.Nf4 Exchange Sac
06/02/11 at 03:52:25
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Hi, I don't know the name of this particular line, just its pedigree. I've been playing it since about 1988, but this was one of my best efforts in the line. It was a correspondence game:

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