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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #15 - 10/26/11 at 05:07:19
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punter wrote on 06/10/11 at 17:30:41:
I am looking for gm games commented by the players where they give their thought process. What they actually saw, what they considered, which moves were "easy" for them and which required a lot of time. This stuff is interesting for me instead of what was a mistake and which were new moves in the opening which I can find out myself. Is there any book with games commented like that ?


I'd like to recommend the column I write for one periodical, however the games I annotate aren't my games, and I'm not a GM yet.  Grin

I really like 'Chess Duels: My Games Against the World Champions' by Yasser Seirawan, which in my opinion is one of the best chess books of the last ten years. His DVD on his best games is also superb. The BBC Master Games are also brilliant. 

Kasparov's books on his own career should also be splendid. 

If you want to explicitly see the difference between how players of various strengths think, have a look at 'Inside the Chess Mind' by Aagaard.
  

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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #14 - 10/26/11 at 03:47:14
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Stigma wrote on 06/10/11 at 22:32:52:
Rowson: "The Seven Deadly Chess Sins" and "Chess for Zebras". He uses his own games a lot and is not afraid to show both his good and bad games, and draw conclusions about his strong and weak points from them.

These books also have lots of Rowson's ideas on what players (especially adults) can do to improve. And also some philosophy thrown in, not all of which I cared for... but they are books that make you think, even if you don't agree with everything he says.

Yermolinsky's "The Road to Chess Improvement" is also a very honest book on Yermo's own improvement journey. He doesn't think the Russian "school" of chess helped him as much as you'd expect and so he had to discover a lot the methods that took him to GM on his own. Also has lessons on many of his favorite openings, presented through his own games.



I second Stigma's 3 books suggestions as they were the exact 3 that came to my mind.
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #13 - 10/25/11 at 23:30:31
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GM Khachiyan has about 130 videos of tournament games he played where he explains his thinking process the whole way through on chess.com. Ive watched most of them, unfortunately this is only available to users with a diamond membership. Tal-Botvinnik 1960 is very good, Im on game 17 right now. Also yes Fischers my 60 memorable games is on my reading list.
  

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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #12 - 10/25/11 at 19:24:45
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He's "just" an IM, but I recently started watching Greg Shahade's videos recapping his tournament games and I think they're exactly what you want - really honest recollections of what he was really thinking and going through while playing the game.

One nice thing in particular, compared to a book, is that he'll talk about various variations he was considering, and then he'll go ahead and reveal that one of them was what happened in the game. In a book everything is artificially forced into a "main line plus variations" format so writers hardly ever say "Now I looked at the following line" if the following line turns out to be the actual one, because then it's redundant. (They do sometimes say things like "26.Bxg6! Of course this move had to have been seen in advance when I played 20.e5!")

Possible downsides: most of the videos cost money (though there are a few free ones) and his informality may turn some people off, both his speech patterns and the way he'll sometimes wing it by trying to remember what he was thinking on the fly. But I think overall the unpolished unprepared presentation is an asset, because you don't get a falsely smoothed-over sense of his thought processes.

If you're interested, go to http://www.chessvideos.tv/forum/viewforum.php?f=29 and look for the "T" games such as "curtains - T1-1".
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #11 - 06/11/11 at 08:44:56
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punter wrote on 06/10/11 at 18:32:28:

Yeah, it's not exactly what I want. I am looking for something which will explain GM's thinking process/knowledge/difference to me rather than the game of chess itself Smiley


How about BBC's the Master Game?

http://www.youtube.com/user/Sirb0b1

Also available in books.
  

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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #10 - 06/11/11 at 07:46:19
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Also, Colin Crouch's books are pretty honest from what I've read so far.
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #9 - 06/11/11 at 00:18:21
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Another good choice would be HOW CHESS GAMES ARE WON AND LOST by Lars Bo Hansen.
  

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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #8 - 06/10/11 at 22:32:52
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Rowson: "The Seven Deadly Chess Sins" and "Chess for Zebras". He uses his own games a lot and is not afraid to show both his good and bad games, and draw conclusions about his strong and weak points from them.

These books also have lots of Rowson's ideas on what players (especially adults) can do to improve. And also some philosophy thrown in, not all of which I cared for... but they are books that make you think, even if you don't agree with everything he says.

Yermolinsky's "The Road to Chess Improvement" is also a very honest book on Yermo's own improvement journey. He doesn't think the Russian "school" of chess helped him as much as you'd expect and so he had to discover a lot the methods that took him to GM on his own. Also has lessons on many of his favorite openings, presented through his own games.
  

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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #7 - 06/10/11 at 20:17:28
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punter wrote on 06/10/11 at 17:30:41:
I am looking for gm games commented by the players where they give their thought process. What they actually saw, what they considered, which moves were "easy" for them and which required a lot of time. This stuff is interesting for me instead of what was a mistake and which were new moves in the opening which I can find out myself. Is there any book with games commented like that ?


Fischer's 60 Memorable games by a mile, Fischer is very open about his feelings during the games and what he saw /didn't see.
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #6 - 06/10/11 at 18:49:55
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Tal-Botvinnik is a classic. Get it. Only downside: a finite number of games. The Russell Enterprises edition is done very well, too.
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #5 - 06/10/11 at 18:46:00
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punter wrote on 06/10/11 at 18:32:28:
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Yeah, it's not exactly what I want. I am looking for something which will explain GM's thinking process/knowledge/difference to me rather than the game of chess itself Smiley


That is exactly what Kingscrusher does though, in real time with blitz games. He has a good video going over Nakamura's games in the ICC Open also.
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #4 - 06/10/11 at 18:32:28
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Avni's "The Grandmaster's Mind"


Wow, sounds very interesting, added to shopping list. Thanks !

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Seirawan, Chess Duels
Tal, Tal-Botvinnik 1960
Soltis, Confessions of a Chess Grandmaster (unfortunately out of print)


I will check some reviews and probably buy one of them.

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For honest commentary on games I can recommend Kingscrusher's youtube channel


Yeah, it's not exactly what I want. I am looking for something which will explain GM's thinking process/knowledge/difference to me rather than the game of chess itself Smiley
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #3 - 06/10/11 at 17:57:09
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Some good GM game collections that are particularly "first-person":

Seirawan, Chess Duels
Tal, Tal-Botvinnik 1960
Soltis, Confessions of a Chess Grandmaster (unfortunately out of print)
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #2 - 06/10/11 at 17:42:51
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For honest commentary on games I can recommend Kingscrusher's youtube channel, it's not exactly what you asked for though. Kingscrusher is far below a GM, but this means I can understand him (and he beats GMs sometimes).   
  
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Re: Are there any honestly commented GMgames available
Reply #1 - 06/10/11 at 17:36:36
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I would think Avni's "The Grandmaster's Mind" might be a candidate.
  
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