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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #7 - 09/09/11 at 13:41:18
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gramsci wrote on 09/09/11 at 07:35:19:
Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 09/08/11 at 22:33:51:
After playing the King's Indian for the majority of my chess life before 2100 FIDE and then switching to the Grünfeld, 1.c4 has always provided me with a big problem. I did not enjoy the King's Indian setup against the Botvinnik or the g3/Bg2/Nf3/Nc3/b4/b5/Rb1 type plans when I played a King's Indian setup, and the Grünfeld setup 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 has given me many a headache. Eventually I just settled to begin studying the Symmetrical.

I've also given up the KID and started playing the Grunfeld (I also considered the Nimzo but I should change my repertoire vs d-pawn special and 4.Nf3, 1.N3 & 1.c4 were a problem)  and I don't know what to play vs. 1.N3. I've been thinking in The Symmetrical 1..c5 but, which system? The Botwinnik with black? What to do then vs a quick d4? Maroczy/Accelerated Dragon or Nimzo-Indian style? And finally, what are your sources, are there any book on that matter? Thanks.


One book about answers to 1.Nf3 is Beating Unusual Chess Openings by Palliser. For the White side, there is of course e.g. Marin. Starting Out: The Accelerated Dragon is a good complement to these books.
  
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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #6 - 09/09/11 at 07:35:19
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Gilchrist is a legend wrote on 09/08/11 at 22:33:51:
After playing the King's Indian for the majority of my chess life before 2100 FIDE and then switching to the Grünfeld, 1.c4 has always provided me with a big problem. I did not enjoy the King's Indian setup against the Botvinnik or the g3/Bg2/Nf3/Nc3/b4/b5/Rb1 type plans when I played a King's Indian setup, and the Grünfeld setup 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 has given me many a headache. Eventually I just settled to begin studying the Symmetrical.

I've also given up the KID and started playing the Grunfeld (I also considered the Nimzo but I should change my repertoire vs d-pawn special and 4.Nf3, 1.N3 & 1.c4 were a problem)  and I don't know what to play vs. 1.N3. I've been thinking in The Symmetrical 1..c5 but, which system? The Botwinnik with black? What to do then vs a quick d4? Maroczy/Accelerated Dragon or Nimzo-Indian style? And finally, what are your sources, are there any book on that matter? Thanks.
  
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Re: What do you play against The English?
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After playing the King's Indian for the majority of my chess life before 2100 FIDE and then switching to the Grünfeld, 1.c4 has always provided me with a big problem. I did not enjoy the King's Indian setup against the Botvinnik or the g3/Bg2/Nf3/Nc3/b4/b5/Rb1 type plans when I played a King's Indian setup, and the Grünfeld setup 1. c4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. Nc3 d5 has given me many a headache. Eventually I just settled to begin studying the Symmetrical.
  

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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #4 - 09/08/11 at 21:40:25
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OrangeCounty wrote on 09/08/11 at 21:33:12:
Why learn a different system when you can be move ordered by White just playing d2-d4?

Not everybody likes to meet 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 o-o 5.e4 d6 (c5) 6.d3 or 6.Nge2 (Botvinnik).
Black cannot be move ordered with 1.c4 g6 and only playing ...Nf6 after White's d2-d4. That does offer a few extra options might White decide to play d2-d3 instead.
  

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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #3 - 09/08/11 at 21:33:12
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Nf6, g6, Bg7, 0-0, responding to e2-e4 with ...d6.  There's no need to treat the English as a completely different opening; often you will transpose to the Fianchetto, and if you don't, you can count yourself lucky, most of the time.  Unless you are facing a master who is also a specialist in the English, you are unlikely to find yourself in a known variation that is worse for Black than the Fianchetto KID.  There are lines where White benefits from having delayed d2-d4, or played d2-d3 instead.  But they, and the advantages they confer, are subtle.  If you can survive a Fianchetto KID without playing the entire game in theory, you can survive the English.

Why learn a different system when you can be move ordered by White just playing d2-d4?  You don't think the English is meaningfully worse than d2-d4, right?
  
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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #2 - 08/18/11 at 08:39:18
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All sorts of things, but then far from a die hard KID player Smiley Being a keen open sicillian fan, 1 .. e5 always seems sort of principled but there are plenty of entirely playable options. Just have to be happy with the positions and/or transpositions.

Dembo's line seems very rationally classical to me, which I suppose could be a problem for some Wink
  
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Re: What do you play against The English?
Reply #1 - 08/18/11 at 06:41:50
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I'm having the same problem nowdays. I used to keep playing KID and, in case of d3, play Dembo or Bologan's recommendation but I find the resulting positions a bit boring. So I'm thinking to change to 1...c5 following Palliser's Botwinnik System with Maroczy set-up incase of a quick d4.
  
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What do you play against The English?
08/18/11 at 00:54:46
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I wonder what do you play against The English Opening?  Do you keep playing The King's Indian regardless of the English order of moves (Let's say: 1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3. g3 Bg7 and so on) or you play 1.c4 e5 or 1.c4 c5?
  
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