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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #37 - 12/01/13 at 20:09:44
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It does not seem as anyone mentioned that with this move order you are also limiting your options against the Chebanenko slav.
  
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Reply #36 - 08/06/13 at 17:59:08
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Which means I saw it on....Chess Publishing!

Arf.

Thanks very much.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #35 - 08/06/13 at 14:12:37
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Justinhorton wrote on 08/06/13 at 14:00:48:
Maybe. Not sure. For some reason I was under the impression women players were involved, but I may be conflating two separate memories. This one wasn't in Chess Today, anyway, as far as I can see, but I'm far from sure that's a reliable memory either!

Perhaps you're thinking of Stefanova-Girya, played at the end of June in the Women's Grand Prix event. I don't have the technical know-how to insert the game here as TN has done above, I'm afraid, but you should be able track the game down easily enough.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #34 - 08/06/13 at 14:00:48
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Maybe. Not sure. For some reason I was under the impression women players were involved, but I may be conflating two separate memories. This one wasn't in Chess Today, anyway, as far as I can see, but I'm far from sure that's a reliable memory either!
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #33 - 08/06/13 at 12:54:31
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Maybe you're thinking of the following game?



  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #32 - 08/06/13 at 11:20:50
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I could have sworn I saw a game recently - last week or so - in the 3. Nc3 Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 line, but I can't recall where. Was it in Chess Today?
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #31 - 10/13/11 at 15:02:44
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...g6 is generally only played after e3, e.g. 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 g6 5. cd is standardly considered better for White.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #30 - 10/13/11 at 14:03:18
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gewgaw wrote on 10/13/11 at 13:12:45:
Q: What is the right moveorder to get a small plus against slav with ...g6?


I am not sure, but I guess it would be delaying e3. The plan is then to be able to play Bf4 to stop ...e5. With e3, Ametanoitos has posted here saying that Black is fine. Most sources consider the Schechter to be a bit better for White, but it seems like the ideas mentioned here should be enough for Black.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #29 - 10/13/11 at 13:12:45
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Q: What is the right moveorder to get a small plus against slav with ...g6?
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #28 - 10/06/11 at 14:20:04
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So that could be a reason for White to prefer the move order used by Sadler.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #27 - 10/06/11 at 11:53:58
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kylemeister wrote on 10/05/11 at 21:31:28:
Regarding the line with 6...Bc8, here's a GM encounter I noticed from today.  Incidentally 14...Nb4 deviates from ECO, which gave 14...f5 as leading to +=.


[Event "Oslo GM Open"]
[Site "Oslo NOR"]
[Date "2011.10.05"]
[Round "5.1"]
[White "Sadler, Matthew D"]
[Black "Ernst, Sipke"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[WhiteElo "2625"]
[BlackElo "2581"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Opening "QGD Slav defence"]
[WhiteFideId "400173"]
[BlackFideId "1004689"]
[EventDate "2011.10.02"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Qb3 Bc8 7. Nf3 Nc6 8. Ne5
e6 9. f4 Be7 10. Bd3 O-O 11. O-O Nd7 12. Bd2 Ndxe5 13. fxe5 Bd7 14. Rf3 Nb4 15.
Be2 a5 16. a3 a4 17. Qd1 Nc6 18. Bd3 g6 19. Qe2 f6 20. exf6 Rxf6 21. Raf1 Kg7
22. Be1 Rxf3 23. Qxf3 Bf6 24. Bg3 Na5 25. Bc7 Qe7 26. Bd6 Qd8 27. Bc7 Qe7 28.
Bd6 Qd8 29. h4 Nc6 30. h5 Be8 31. h6+ 1-0



I like this approach for black: b6+Bb7 with control of c5 and e4 square and play Ne4 at some point. In the game below black equalized easy (of course black play only for draw in these lines with 6...Bc8)


[Event "Tvoroyri Suduroy"]
[Site "Tvoroyri"]
[Date "2005.06.22"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hermansson, Emil"]
[Black "Shaw, John K"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "D10"]
[WhiteElo "2432"]
[BlackElo "2454"]
[PlyCount "45"]
[EventDate "2005.06.18"]
[EventType "tourn"]
[EventRounds "9"]
[EventCountry "FAI"]
[EventCategory "3"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceDate "2005.07.01"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Qb3 Bc8 7. Bd3 e6 8. f4
Be7 9. Nf3 O-O 10. Bd2 b6 11. O-O Bb7 12. Ne5 Ne4 13. Nxe4 dxe4 14. Bc4 Nd7 15.
Rac1 Nxe5 16. fxe5 Rc8 17. Rc2 Rc6 18. Rfc1 Qa8 19. Bb4 Bxb4 20. Qxb4 Rfc8 21.
Rc3 h6 22. Bb3 a5 23. Qb5 1/2-1/2

  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #26 - 10/05/11 at 21:31:28
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Regarding the line with 6...Bc8, here's a GM encounter I noticed from today.  Incidentally 14...Nb4 deviates from ECO, which gave 14...f5 as leading to +=.


[Event "Oslo GM Open"]
[Site "Oslo NOR"]
[Date "2011.10.05"]
[Round "5.1"]
[White "Sadler, Matthew D"]
[Black "Ernst, Sipke"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteTitle "GM"]
[BlackTitle "GM"]
[WhiteElo "2625"]
[BlackElo "2581"]
[ECO "D10"]
[Opening "QGD Slav defence"]
[WhiteFideId "400173"]
[BlackFideId "1004689"]
[EventDate "2011.10.02"]

1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. e3 Bf5 5. cxd5 cxd5 6. Qb3 Bc8 7. Nf3 Nc6 8. Ne5
e6 9. f4 Be7 10. Bd3 O-O 11. O-O Nd7 12. Bd2 Ndxe5 13. fxe5 Bd7 14. Rf3 Nb4 15.
Be2 a5 16. a3 a4 17. Qd1 Nc6 18. Bd3 g6 19. Qe2 f6 20. exf6 Rxf6 21. Raf1 Kg7
22. Be1 Rxf3 23. Qxf3 Bf6 24. Bg3 Na5 25. Bc7 Qe7 26. Bd6 Qd8 27. Bc7 Qe7 28.
Bd6 Qd8 29. h4 Nc6 30. h5 Be8 31. h6+ 1-0
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #25 - 10/04/11 at 00:11:04
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ErictheRed wrote on 08/19/11 at 16:24:19:
I've played 3.Nc3 against the Slav for a long time.  My opinions:

1. The Schlecter is pleasant to play against.
2. You need something against 3...Nf6 4.e3 e6, which is highly theoretical and entirely fine for Black.
3. 3...dxc4 4.e4 used to score me a lot of points, but now that Vigus wrote a book on it, my opponents are prepared.  I still prefer White there, though.
4. 3...e5 is entirely playable though probably a little better for White.
5. After 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bg4, I'm not sure what is best.
6. After many years of trying to prove an edge against 3...Nf6 4.e3 Bf5 with 5.cd cd 6.Qb3, I've basically concluded that Black is fully equal after 6...Bc8!  The trouble for White is that he has played 4.e3, blocking in his Queen's Bishop, his Knight is on c3 so you can't play the Bc1-d2-b4 plan, and the Queen on b3 is now misplaced.  After something like 7.Nf3 e6 8.Bd3 Nc6, Black will later play ...Nc6-a5, regaining the tempo he lost earlier; the Queen doesn't really have a better square than d1 to move to.  If White tries for IQP positions with the e3-e4 push at some point, which looks like a logical way to exploit Black's wasting two tempos, the Queen is still misplaced on b3 and White has lost a move playing e2-e3 and then e3-e4.  So again, Black is fine.

Just my two cents, and why I head for the Dutch variation these days.


Regarding 1, which lines are pleasant for white after he plays e2-e3 (1d4d5 2c4c6 3Nc3(or Nf3)Nf6 4e3 g6)  ? Do someone knows where to find artciles/books on this line?
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #24 - 10/01/11 at 13:21:44
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14.Nd4 Rfc8 (to stop b3+Bb2) 15.h3 could be a start. White's game won't be easy, but he is still a pawn up.
Houdini like's 10.dxe5 Nxe5 11.Be2, when ...Bd6 can be answered by f4.
This gambit is certainly playable otb, but I wouldn't dare playing it in correspondence chess...
If the 4...Bf5 line worked, it would also solve the 1.c4 c6 2.Nc3 d5 3.e3 "problem", that isn't adressed in Vigus' book.
  
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Re: Queen Slav
Reply #23 - 10/01/11 at 10:57:52
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Karpovfan wrote on 10/01/11 at 08:08:03:
huibui wrote on 09/29/11 at 21:25:20:
Thanks for the line, it looks quite convincing. Maybe White should go 8.Qb3, to be able to return to d1? I guess if Black plays this slow White has to be better, so 8...e5 seems to be logical. Do you have an opinion on this?


With 8 Qb3 white can save the move a2-a3 of the game. Anyway after for example 8...Rb8 9 Qd1 e5 10 Nf3 Bd6 11 dxe5 Nxe5 12 Be2 00 13 00 white seem solid and has pressure against d5...
But if black doesnt play e7-e5 plan what else?

After 13 ...Qe7 I think Black still has some compensation. 
If 14.Nxd5, then 14...Nxd5 15.Qxd5 Bc6 16.Qd1 Nxf3 17.Bxf3 Bb5 18.Re1 Qe5 19.g3 Bb4 20.Bd2 Rfd8 with advantage to Black.

So what should White's next move be? The bishop on c1 can't move because b2 is hanging, but 14.Rb1 is answered by 14...Bf5 and 14.b3 is answered by ...Nxf3 and ...Qe5 winning the knight on c3. 

Perhaps White's position isn't that solid after all. Maybe he can untangle himself,  but it's not clear.

  
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