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Question: Who will win the World Cup?


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Vasily Ivanchuk 14 (35.0%) Ruslan Ponomariov 5 (12.5%) Vugar Gashimov 2 (5.0%) Alexander Grischuk 7 (17.5%) Teimour Radjabov 3 (7.5%) Peter Svidler 3 (7.5%) David Navara 0 (0.0%) Judit Polgar 6 (15.0%) Total votes: 40 « Last Modified by: Smyslov_Fan on: 09/08/11 at 14:24:17 »

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MartinC God Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 2115 Joined: 07/24/06	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #45 - 09/09/11 at 08:52:34	Post Tools	Print Post
	Not sure quite how realistic Polgar's seed was: having missed the recent phases of rating inflation isn't she probably still a little underrated? Not horribly of course. As well as Grischuk, Ponomariov has done it before of course. But very random and very tough now. You'd certainly want good odds to put money on anyone.


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chk God Member Offline a pawn is a pawn Posts: 1063 Location: Athens Joined: 10/26/06 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #44 - 09/09/11 at 08:05:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	My money is on Radjabov (I believe he is still evolving as a player and we are about to see more and more of him in the future). However, my fav happens to be a female ( ) player..

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Jupp53 God Member Offline be Posts: 988 Location: Frankfurt/Main Joined: 01/04/09 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #43 - 09/09/11 at 07:47:31	Post Tools	Print Post
	To pick the betting question: Voting for Ponomariov here is one thing I did. Betting a minor amount would be all right too. But there's no contestant I would bet more than 10 €. Whoever will win now - it's no big surprise as 2700+ is something in chess today.

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #42 - 09/09/11 at 04:59:19	Post Tools	Print Post
	I have a feeling that people voted for who they wanted to win the tournament rather than who they would put money on if they had back their picks with something meaningful. Judit Polgar is a great story and I love her style of chess. She did manage to beat Karjakin and Lenier-Dominguez, but most of the top seeds are still alive. She's not Serena Williams who should never have been a 28 seed, she's a strong player who is outperforming her realistic 33rd seed but can't be expected to win the whole tournament. I chose Gashimov, who is also an outsider. Grischuk is the most obvious choice to me because he's proven especially adept at winning these mini-matches. But of course, there's still Ivanchuk, Ponomariov and Svidler who are experienced and creative players. And then there are the youngsters Navara and Radjabov who are incredibly talented. (Did I miss anyone? ) It's turned out to be a more exciting tournament than I expected, in part because of Polgar, but her run will stop before the final.


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MNb God Member Offline Rudolf Spielmann forever Posts: 10777 Location: Moengo Joined: 01/05/04 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #41 - 09/09/11 at 01:03:10	Post Tools	Print Post
	A quote from Dennis Monokroussos I love: Quote: Soon the little-known GMs Vonahzdmisak and Vopihs will propose some radical measures to lower the excessive quantity of decisive games. Since a properly-played chess game should almost certainly be drawn, the high level of wins suggests a certain lack of competence in top-level play. Accordingly, if a game is won - especially if it is won too quickly - one suggestion is that the players replay their game with colors reversed with the previous time limit doubled.

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Seth_Xoma God Member Offline FM with 2 IM Norms - (2381) Posts: 558 Location: Lansing Joined: 11/05/04 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #40 - 09/08/11 at 22:23:51	Post Tools	Print Post
	After 11 votes, Polgar leads with 4 (surprised me!) and I am the first to think Grischuk will win it all (another surprise!).


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battleangel Ex Member	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #39 - 09/08/11 at 21:41:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Svidler, Ponomariov, Ivanchuk and Grischuk will advance Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/08/11 at 14:22:57: These are the final 8 players in order of seeding. (A)Polgar plays Svidler, (B)Gashimov and Pono play (C)Ivanchuk vs Radjabov and (D)Grischuk-Navara. The winners of A vs B and C vs D play each other for the final.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #38 - 09/08/11 at 15:33:07	Post Tools	Print Post
	trw wrote on 09/08/11 at 14:59:36: Since only the top3 get Candidates spots...? Does the loser of A&B play the loser of C&D for those rights? According to the wikipedia site, yes, there will be a third place play-off. I don't know whether it will have a best-of-four match like the final though. (The graphic design suggests it does.)


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #37 - 09/08/11 at 15:26:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	Oops. I'll correct that. (In my defense, I got it right in each of the other posts. Oh well.)


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BabySnake Full Member Offline Opening repertoire construction underway Posts: 174 Joined: 10/21/10 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #36 - 09/08/11 at 15:07:06	Post Tools	Print Post
	Smyslov_Fan wrote on 09/08/11 at 14:22:57: These are the final 8 players in order of seeding. (A)Polgar plays Svidler, (B)Gashimov and Pono play (C)Ivanchuk vs Radjabov and (D)Gashimov-Navara. The winners of A vs B and C vs D play each other for the final. Grischuk-Navara isn't it...


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trw YaBB Moderator Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 1414 Joined: 05/06/08 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #35 - 09/08/11 at 14:59:36	Post Tools	Print Post
	Since only the top3 get Candidates spots...? Does the loser of A&B play the loser of C&D for those rights?


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #34 - 09/08/11 at 14:22:57	Post Tools	Print Post
	These are the final 8 players in order of seeding. (A)Polgar plays Svidler, (B)Gashimov and Pono play (C)Ivanchuk vs Radjabov and (D)Grischuk-Navara. The winners of A vs B and C vs D play each other for the final.
	« Last Edit: 09/08/11 at 15:27:22 by Smyslov_Fan »

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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #33 - 09/08/11 at 14:14:08	Post Tools	Print Post
	Here's the final 8: 33 Judit Polgár v 9 Peter Svidler 4 Ruslan Ponomariov v 5 Vugar Gashimov 2 Vassily Ivanchuk v 7 Teimour Radjabov 14 David Navara v 6 Alexander Grischuk


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mangler Full Member Offline I Love ChessPublishing! Posts: 174 Location: Orlando Joined: 10/30/06 Gender:	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #32 - 09/08/11 at 13:25:54	Post Tools	Print Post
	I checked Chessbase (Bigbase 2010), and she has played the line 10 times, the most recent being in 2002. I usually think of her as a Taimanov player (via 2...e6), but she has also been playing 1...e5 lately. I guess some people are more surprised than others.


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Smyslov_Fan God Member Correspondence fan Offline Progress depends on the unreasonable man. ~GBS Posts: 6902 Joined: 06/15/05	Re: World Cup 2011 Reply #31 - 09/08/11 at 13:00:22	Post Tools	Print Post
	That Polgar would play this variation of the Sicilian (1 e4 c5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 cxd4 4 Nxd4 Qb6) should be a surprise to just about nobody. She's used this line of the Sicilian for about two decades and was perhaps the first major player to use it repeatedly.


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